On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Wil Sinclair <wllm(a)wllm.com> wrote:
Nathan, I was responding to Lila's note to clarify
that I had made the
decision to not discuss anything privately with any WMF employee. The
IRC discussion was referenced by Fae, so I sent a link to the
discussion so everyone could see what he was talking about; I will
absolutely stand by my words. I think it's very important for everyone
to understand that the WMF is not trying to directly control my
communication with the community and with WMF employees. These are all
Everyone who is encouraging me to stop posting on this thread seem to
be the people who were asking for the clarification of my role in the
first place. These people seemed to think this matter was urgent and
that we shouldn't wait any longer- much less for me to understand the
intricacies of those IRC channels- to get clarification. I was not the
person to bring up the IRC discussion, but once it was brought up, I
don't think many people would disagree that it was appropriate for me
to respond with my account.
We are all interested in hearing all sides of every story here, aren't
we? I'm starting to get the feeling that there are things that some
people on this list don't want *anyone* to discuss. After all, you
could simply ignore my messages or even filter them from your inbox,
if you are so inclined. This impression has been troubling me greatly.
Do you know that this is *precisely* what many on Wikipediocracy are
saying about this list? Are they right?
I'm way post having posted too much on this subject, so one last brief
message and that will be it for me. Wil, I don't think anyone has objected
to criticism of Wikimedia or enwp policies on this list (other than over
forum selection for certain issues). People *have* objected to your
decision to associate with WO, and have attempted to describe to you why
Others (including me) have pointed out that your inexperience hampers your
power as a critic of internal processes. There are just a long list of
things you don't know much about, but that doesn't seem to prevent you from
complaining about them in high visibility forums like this list. My advice
is to take time away from lists and forums and controversial discussions
and just learn and experience the projects. Then come back and join the
more meta discussions.
I suspect you won't choose to follow that advice, since its been given
multiple other times and you haven't yet, but I hope you understand the
distinction between suggesting that you listen and learn before you opine
and demanding that you piss off and stop posting full stop. I'm doing the
former, no one has done the latter.