We shouldn't be taken by the spirit of wiki environment. Sometimes, at Village Pump,
through great debats and violent discussions, I feel like a lawyer, defending my point of
view. We're more a tribunal than a colaborative and friendly ambience. Blocks are the
prisons, and we're lawyers defending our opinions, supports are the witnesses.
Wikipedia has become more and more in a bureaucratic project until a few people understand
its operation today. We are one of those exceptions that have come to understand the
endless pages of policies. Do not think everyone can easily understand how Wikipedia
works. Totally not. It's too hard guys, not everybody has that patience. We're
few.
I think we (the Wikipedia community in general) gradually become more and more wikipedian
and less humans. We become increasingly bureacratic, rigorous, severe, formal and boring.
Virtually robots. Wikilove is a step against this process.
We're not just talking about a tool, but a revolution in the way of communicative and
collaborative Wikipedia. It is a way to make Wikipedia a family environment, not a court
or an academy of letters. We need that. Wikipedia really needs that at all.
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:12:52 +0530
From: de10011(a)gmail.com
To: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Oliver Keyes <scire.facias(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
You seem to be missing my point - that the WL
tool serves an ulterior
function of allowing users who do not understand markup to communicate and
request help in a way they can understand. I *am* saying that most of those
with few or no edits will have problems understanding markup, which is why
it's important, even without WL's core purpose, that the tool remain
available to new editors.
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Fae <fae(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
On 30 October 2011 08:06, Oliver Keyes
<scire.facias(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Surely making it only available to those users
who understand markup
completely undermines one of the great unintended consequences - that
it's
really useful for posting talkpage messages?
I did not equate "users with 10 edits" with those that understand
markup, these are different things. My use of the word "template" is
generic, in that Wikilove provides standard templates for user talk
pages, this does not imply anything about the ability of users to
understand wiki markup or html.
Apologies if my language was not plain enough to avoid
misinterpretation in unexpected ways.
Cheers,
Fae
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Those are two separate things. One, the delivery mechanism for Wikilove, a
pop-up window on top of the userpage to select and click on a pretty
picture and add a message. Second, the actual content, the
barn-star/kitty/food template.
I disagree with Ironholds that it would be easier for a new users to
navigate the hundreds of pages of commonly used templates and then find the
right one to use and then use it correctly after customizing it, as opposed
to you know, leaving a message in plain English. Last I checked,
"pseudo-HTML markups" weren't a necessity for posting on a talk page.
It prob. takes someone at least a good 50-100 edits before they even know
what a template is, then using and customizing the right one might take
longer.
The delivery mechanism on the other hand is what I think is very useful for
new users. There is an enormous amount of benefit if that could be
customized for new users pre-loaded with some generic help templates they
can actually use to edit, rather than spam love.
Theo
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