Hi/Bona nit
Specifically regarding the last emails about videos and new formats in university students and their use of Wikipedia. A truth is that we already had the chance to integrate better multimedia contents and formats via some channels that he already had: our sister projects.
Wikiversity, Wikibooks or Wikisource were in the past powerful and attractive tools, valid to integrate knowledge in more flexible (non-enciclopedic) forms until mid- last decade. Until they were abandoned with no further tech investing. I remember having trained and mentorized schools, universities and public institutions in Catalonia on Wikibooks until 2015. It was seen as a really valid alternative by then.
Since then WikiHow, Moodle, StuDocu, Notion or other participative niches have progressed with some multimedia inclusions as better opportunities than the WMF sister projects —even the WMF tried to rebrand itself from «Wikimedia Foundation» to «Wikipedia Foundation» in a move that I consider a disbelief towards its own content legacies. All this, despite many small-sized community efforts and requests to claim for better integration of multimedia features, that imho are the key to get these projects a bit back to new success. I don’t think that these competitors offer amazing features that we could not develop (apart from their cuter and cleaner interfaces?).
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and therefore I find that is normal that has some conceptual limitations in how it shapes and shows the content. You rely in other niches for more specific stuff. However, this may be easily tackled in Wikimedia if sister projects' potential and existing contents would be really valued and connected.
That way, if videos are one of the reasons why there is a loss of readers (I agree that we should be able to see longers trend to unmask possible covid peaks) on Wikipedia, we could still redirect/invite/seduce them to alternatives that are still interactive, Open Access, participative & transparent (i.e. Wikimedia wikis).
Best,
Xavier Dengra
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El dissabte, 8 de gener 2022 a les 00:53, Juergen Fenn jfenn@gmx.net va escriure:
Thanks, James. I think this is an important point. So we could say we
have lost a part of acedemia.
More to the point, we seem to have failed to integrate course materials
and multimedia formats into Wikipedia articles.
Could we try and create some of these and integrate them into articles
relevant to students in oder to test whether this makes a difference to
them? Or do you think they would stick to Osmosis etc. anyway?
Best regards,
Jürgen.
Am 08.01.22 um 00:38 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
With respect to some anecdotal evidence, I have for many years asked the
medical students who work with me on their clinical rotations how they
study. I get a few passes through my department a month.
Most reported using Wikipedia 5 to 10 years back. Now sources like
Osmosis, which are basically short video overviews with questions banks
attached, are more commonly mentioned. Video is becoming a more common
way for younger folks to learn.
James
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:55 PM Mohamed ElGohary <ircpresident@gmail.com
mailto:ircpresident@gmail.com> wrote:
"Is the traffic measured where content is read" would be a better way of putting it. -- Gohary (ircpresident) On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:52 AM Juergen Fenn <jfenn@gmx.net <mailto:jfenn@gmx.net>> wrote: Anders raised the question how this relates to "smarter" machine-created traffic. Do we know more about this? Best Regards, Jürgen. Am 07.01.22 um 21:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman: > Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than 10 years. > It appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump during > the pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is continuing again... This > despite much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be related to > the pandemic. > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png> > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png>> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages>> > > James > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski <toni91ehrlich@gmail.com <mailto:toni91ehrlich@gmail.com> > <mailto:toni91ehrlich@gmail.com <mailto:toni91ehrlich@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > Additionally, pandemic 2020 with a lot of lockdowns makes many > people commit to different activities, among them starting editing > on Wikipedia or reading more. Basically, in my opinion it is better > to compare with 2019 numbers. Also, it will be useful to have some > kind of survey about this which can give us a better overview of > these data. > > As I`m editor and admin on Macedonian Wikipedia, I was quite > surprised that our Wikipedia actually continues to grow in terms of > reading and having a stable editing base. > > All the best, > Toni > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:52 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga > <galder158@hotmail.com <mailto:galder158@hotmail.com> <mailto:galder158@hotmail.com <mailto:galder158@hotmail.com>>> wrote: > > There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge > peak on views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results. > > 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders > Wennersten <mail@anderswennersten.se <mailto:mail@anderswennersten.se> > <mailto:mail@anderswennersten.se <mailto:mail@anderswennersten.se>>>): > > When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, > nl they all > show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a > year ago, 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