Hi/Bona nit
Specifically regarding the last emails about videos and new formats in university students
and their use of Wikipedia. A truth is that we already had the chance to integrate better
multimedia contents and formats via some channels that he already had: our sister
projects.
Wikiversity, Wikibooks or Wikisource were in the past powerful and attractive tools, valid
to integrate knowledge in more flexible (non-enciclopedic) forms until mid- last decade.
Until they were abandoned with no further tech investing. I remember having trained and
mentorized schools, universities and public institutions in Catalonia on Wikibooks until
2015. It was seen as a really valid alternative by then.
Since then WikiHow, Moodle, StuDocu, Notion or other participative niches have progressed
with some multimedia inclusions as better opportunities than the WMF sister projects —even
the WMF tried to rebrand itself from «Wikimedia Foundation» to «Wikipedia Foundation» in a
move that I consider a disbelief towards its own content legacies. All this, despite many
small-sized community efforts and requests to claim for better integration of multimedia
features, that imho are the key to get these projects a bit back to new success. I don’t
think that these competitors offer amazing features that we could not develop (apart from
their cuter and cleaner interfaces?).
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and therefore I find that is normal that has some conceptual
limitations in how it shapes and shows the content. You rely in other niches for more
specific stuff. However, this may be easily tackled in Wikimedia if sister projects'
potential and existing contents would be really valued and connected.
That way, if videos are one of the reasons why there is a loss of readers (I agree that we
should be able to see longers trend to unmask possible covid peaks) on Wikipedia, we could
still redirect/invite/seduce them to alternatives that are still interactive, Open Access,
participative & transparent (i.e. Wikimedia wikis).
Best,
Xavier Dengra
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El dissabte, 8 de gener 2022 a les 00:53, Juergen Fenn <jfenn(a)gmx.net> va escriure:
> Thanks, James. I think this is an important point. So we could say we
>
> have lost a part of acedemia.
>
> More to the point, we seem to have failed to integrate course materials
>
> and multimedia formats into Wikipedia articles.
>
> Could we try and create some of these and integrate them into articles
>
> relevant to students in oder to test whether this makes a difference to
>
> them? Or do you think they would stick to Osmosis etc. anyway?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jürgen.
>
> Am 08.01.22 um 00:38 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
>
> > With respect to some anecdotal evidence, I have for many years asked the
> >
> > medical students who work with me on their clinical rotations how they
> >
> > study. I get a few passes through my department a month.
> >
> > Most reported using Wikipedia 5 to 10 years back. Now sources like
> >
> > Osmosis, which are basically short video overviews with questions banks
> >
> > attached, are more commonly mentioned. Video is becoming a more common
> >
> > way for younger folks to learn.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:55 PM Mohamed ElGohary <ircpresident(a)gmail.com
> >
> > mailto:ircpresident@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > "Is the traffic measured where content is read" would be a better
> > way of putting it.
> >
> > --
> > Gohary (ircpresident)
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:52 AM Juergen Fenn <jfenn(a)gmx.net
> > <mailto:jfenn@gmx.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Anders raised the question how this relates to "smarter"
> > machine-created
> > traffic. Do we know more about this?
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Jürgen.
> >
> > Am 07.01.22 um 21:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman:
> > > Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than
> > 10 years.
> > > It appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump
> > during
> > > the pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is
> > continuing again... This
> > > despite much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be
> > related to
> > > the pandemic.
> > >
> > >
> >
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_20…
> >
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png>
> > >
> >
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png
> >
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png>>
> > >
> > >
> >
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> >
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages>
> > >
> >
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages
> >
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages>>
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski
> > <toni91ehrlich(a)gmail.com <mailto:toni91ehrlich@gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:toni91ehrlich@gmail.com
> > <mailto:toni91ehrlich@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Additionally, pandemic 2020 with a lot of lockdowns makes many
> > > people commit to different activities, among them starting
> > editing
> > > on Wikipedia or reading more. Basically, in my opinion it
> > is better
> > > to compare with 2019 numbers. Also, it will be useful to
> > have some
> > > kind of survey about this which can give us a better
> > overview of
> > > these data.
> > >
> > > As I`m editor and admin on Macedonian Wikipedia, I was quite
> > > surprised that our Wikipedia actually continues to grow in
> > terms of
> > > reading and having a stable editing base.
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > > Toni
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:52 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
> > > <galder158(a)hotmail.com <mailto:galder158@hotmail.com>
> > <mailto:galder158@hotmail.com
<mailto:galder158@hotmail.com>>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns
> > made a huge
> > > peak on views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
> > >
> > > 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du
> > (Anders
> > > Wennersten <mail(a)anderswennersten.se
> > <mailto:mail@anderswennersten.se>
> > > <mailto:mail@anderswennersten.se
> > <mailto:mail@anderswennersten.se>>>):
> > >
> > > When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias:
> > en, de pl,
> > > nl they all
> > > show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12
> > months from a
> > > year ago,
> > > and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with
> > exception
> > > of en).
> > >
> > > Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing
> > our readers and
> > > contributors or is it mostly Google that access
> > our info
> > > "smarter" not
> > > creating "views"
> > >
> > > Anders
> > >
> > >
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> > > <https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
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> > >
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