Good judgement is often such a subjective thing, Everyone thinks they have
it. A bit like the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Cheers,
Peter
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Of Asaf Bartov
Sent: 10 September 2020 12:55
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice
I would say first and foremost, good judgment. As measured by the person's
track record on-wiki and on this list.
Preferring to err on the side of caution, people under community sanctions,
or who have themselves been moderated for on-list misconduct, need not
apply.
A.
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020, 12:58 Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net>
wrote:
Asaf,
What are the criteria for eligibility as moderator for this list?
Cheers,
Peter
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Indeed, there is a potential conflict of interest here. This is why I
strongly tend to leniency, *especially* when unacceptable discourse
coincides with criticism of the Foundation. In this case, we received
requests from two list subscribers to moderate Dan. We did so, while
underscoring that it was *not* for criticizing the Foundation.
I think I have something of a track record of supporting open debate and
of
encouraging and engaging with criticism of the
Foundation. I think there
is indeed plenty to criticize; the Foundation is far from flawless.
But people don't have to endure coarse language and vitriol at the same
time. By all means, express disappointment, lack of confidence,
suspicion,
whatever, but do it in a civil manner. Dan can
continue to do as well, of
course. I have already let one message of this through moderation.
All that said, it would of course have been better if we had a couple of
list-admins more, without ties to the Foundation, so perhaps it is time to
recruit them. Is anyone interested?
A.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:56 AM Todd Allen <toddmallen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Erm, wait. He said what, "fart"?
It's not a particularly good look for a WMF employee to be moderating
someone critiquing the WMF, especially when, while their statement may
have
> been strongly worded, it used pretty mild language. This should either
be
undone, or at
least decided upon by someone who doesn't work for WMF.
That's a substantial conflict of interest.
Todd
On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM Asaf Bartov <asaf.bartov(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > Dear Wikimedians,
> >
> > List subscriber Dan Szymborski has been placed under moderation, due
to
> posts
with unacceptable language.
>
> I remind everyone that criticism is appropriate and welcome on this
list,
so long
as it remains civil and respectful of the people involved.
Asaf (volunteer capacity)
on behalf of Wikimedia-l list moderators
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