Hoi,
What is painfully obvious is the bias that exists. For countries in Africa
we do not even know all the government ministers past and present for the
last 70 years let alone that we know about past elections. At that, it is
fine with me that subjects like this are raised.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 09:19, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder158(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
I would add to the idea that this is an international
mailing list where
most of the users are not from the US the idea that there are other
Wikipedias around that are not in English, so the coverage of details of
the US elections at the English Wikipedia should be discussed... at the
English Wikipedia.
Thanks for your understanding.
Galder
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*From:* Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:14 AM
*To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
*Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections
There are already wikiprojects on English Wikipedia that work on
elections.[1][2] I suggest you might want to continue this conversation
there, with people who have a strong interest in US elections, and a good
grasp on what is and is not likely to make a successful article. As noted
before, this is an international mailing list, and there are better places
to talk about American politics.
Oh...incidentally. That photo had no impact at all. The election was
yesterday, and the results were pretty much as predicted at least a week
ago; there were no surprises.
Risker/Anne
[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/Histo…
[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_president…
On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 01:45, Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
Thank you.
In the recent Canadian federal election [1], there was a last-minute
happening [2] in the news and on social media [3] which seems difficult to
precisely attribute to a responsible party. It appears that one or more
photographs were leaked to a news organization which probably does not want
to reveal their source. I am thinking about how best to include such
complex events and happenings in encyclopedia articles about
election-related strategies, tactics, events, and happenings.
On the topic of US election-related encyclopedia articles, I think that it
will be easier and that there will be more interested Wikimedians as the
next election season approaches (2022) or, perhaps, as the next
Presidential election season approaches (2024). Then, instead of exploring
news archives, interested Wikimedians could add relevant events and
happenings to encyclopedia articles as they occur.
My current plan for improving Wikipedia’s overall election coverage
includes participating, alongside interested others, in US 2024
Presidential election-related encyclopedia articles so that the quality of
these prominent encyclopedia articles might inspire the broader community
with regard to covering subsequent elections. If anyone has a better plan,
please let me know.
If there is interest, perhaps we could organize a community project, a
Wikiproject [4] or a Task Force [5], to think about and to discuss these
topics – and, perhaps, to collaborate to build templates or prototypes of
enhanced election coverage – en route to 2024.
In the interim, I can see whether I can find enough content to create and
structure articles about these topics pertaining to recent US Presidential
elections (2016 and 2020).
Best regards,
Adam
[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election
[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise
[3]
https://torontosun.com/news/election-2021/lilley-another-blackface-photo-em…
[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject
[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide/Task_forc…
*From: *Eduardo Testart <etestart(a)gmail.com>
*Sent: *Sunday, September 19, 2021 12:31 PM
*To: *Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
*Subject: *[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections
Hi Adam,
If this is a subject you care about, you are probably the right person to
start writing those articles you would like to see.
If you wait to see "how Wikimedians choose to create and structure them",
you might very well never see the articles come to life.
It's never too late to start editing 😉
Cheers,
El dom., 19 de sep. de 2021 09:55, Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski(a)hotmail.com>
escribió:
Thank you. It is interesting to consider how a more granular coverage of
elections, coverage which includes notable mass media events, e.g., news
stories and social media events, caused by and/or strategically reacted to
by political campaigns, parties, and organizations, coverage which includes
election tactics and strategies, can enhance Wikipedia and provide its
readers with fuller pictures of elections.
I am starting to think about possibilities with respect to these new
articles. I am looking forward to seeing how Wikimedians choose to create
and structure them. A hope is that future elections will improve as a
result.
Best regards,
Adam
*From: *Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:51 PM
*To: *Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
*Subject: *[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections
Hello Adam -
This looks like a series of articles that could reasonably be made about
the elections of any country: for example, "Election tactics in the 2000
US Presidential election" or "Election tactics in the 1986 British House of
Commons election" or whatever. Draft space is right there waiting for you
or others to create the articles. I'm sure for many of these elections
there will be lots of available reference sources, both contemporaneous and
in terms of historical research. It will be important to ensure that no
political bias is introduced into the articles. Of course, there is also
the question of whether these tactics had any effect on the outcome of any
given election, and what that effect was; again, that will probably need
reference sources from independent academic researchers and books.
Incidentally, this is an international list; at least half of the people
who post here live and work in countries outside of the United States. I
am uncomfortable to see Wikimedians referred to as "we, the American
people", and I hope that you will reconsider that kind of approach toward
any project. Even English Wikipedia, which I assume is your target
audience here, is edited more by people outside the US than those inside
it.
Risker/Anne
On Sat, 18 Sept 2021 at 14:50, Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
Wikimedia,
I have a psephological and election historical observation that I would
like to share with Wikimedia.
Low-brow, crass, and manipulative political advertising and marketing,
various hot-button, third-rail, dog-whistle, and wedge issues, have been
deployed by candidates, campaigns, and political actors and organizations
during American election seasons. These tactics are very much a part of our
elections and appear to be subsequently omitted from encyclopedic (e.g.,
Wikipedia) and historical coverage of the elections (e.g., 2000 – 2020).
How low have election campaigns gone? Very. Yet, for some reasons,
American encyclopedists and historians appear to be almost complicit,
glossing over these problematic election campaign tactics. Each historical
election appears to be reduced to a single encyclopedia article or small
cluster of such articles, only some such articles attempt to list election
issues, and no such article mentions campaign advertising and marketing
themes and tactics deployed by campaigns, political actors, and
organizations on radio, television, the Web, or social media.
I propose that encyclopedists, scholars, and scientists seek to attend to,
remember, and record election campaign mass media tactics and manipulations
lest we, the American people, be doomed to repeat them in future elections.
Perhaps by remembering the election campaign advertising and marketing
tactics utilized, including on social media, and listing them
encyclopedically, a buoyant pressure can be created with which to elevate
our American politics.
Thank you for your time and for considering these ideas with which to
improve encyclopedic coverage of American elections.
Best regards,
Adam Sobieski
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