Anders: we can't add a physics simulator. (https://www.physicsclassroom.com/Physics-Interactives/Newtons-Laws). This is not "info wars", this is being useful. And we can't do it because... well, because we are... obsolete.

From: Anders Wennersten <mail@anderswennersten.se>
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We have an army of volunteers to guarantee correctness and that issues of controversies are dealt with in a way that hopefully all parties can accept


we have no cookies or technical things that make us follow up on our editors, truly believing in the full integrity of our users


our financial and governing set up is fully independent of an third party


Our reading interface works well for our users and on most platforms (which is made easier with no technical smarties)


Our interface can be made better for editors, but this does not make it as a phenomenon obsolete


In the info war we are in, it is beer to be on the "boring" side with few or none smart gadgets then being too smart and open for foul play by parties that want to undermine our system by clever hackers


Anders


Den 2021-10-26 kl. 17:37, skrev Galder Gonzalez Larraņaga:
Thanks Anders,
"We are the opposite to obsolete" is a good sentence, because this would imply that our platform is the bow of an icebreaker. But we still, in 2021, can't do this things (you can help by expanding this list):
  • Simultaneous edition
  • Auto-save in sandbox
  • Publishing from sandbox
  • Upload MP4 files
  • Render correctly vectorial files
  • Embed our own Wikidata query results in our own projects
  • Have a modern look
  • Have cross-project templates and modules
  • Visual edit from mobile
  • Create visually interesting cartography
  • Hear the articles
  • Export multiple articles as a pdf/doc (whatever)
  • ...
  • ........
Someone will answer to this message talking about the "Wishlist survey" every year we have. This scarcity generating system also gives funny outcomes. Let's take the 2019 survey. 10 projects were voted. Only 4 done: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results. Or the 2017 one: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2017/Results. Some projects where done, some not and there are some that are external tools that you have to use as a gadget.

Students are relying on YouTube to learn things. We are obsolete. Very obsolete.

Galder


From: Anders Wennersten <mail@anderswennersten.se>
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"We will have more and more and more millions, but we will still...
yes... obsolete." Galder


What phenomenon do you see challenge Wikipedias role as a source for
common knowledge, an encyklopedia for everyone?

I see that for the last 20 years no successful commercial encyclopedia
has been launched.

I see how the social media have a hard time to be a platform for common
knowledge and hard pressed to employ armies of moderators. And Google
very happy to lean and steal from Wikipedia rather the do something
similar themself (which would go down badly in the public)

But the war of information is a reality and heating up. We can be very
glad that so far we have not been a target of all angriness of what is
to be seen as the "correct" information. But that could change, what if
a new administration in US want to control what is written in Wikipedia.
Or China want to set up a parallel in English as the have now in
Chinese. If these thing happen we need to have resources to fight off
these type a of challenges, not only for our own sake but for he people
in the world who is used to turn to Wikipedia for basic facts.

We are the opposite to obsolete, we are in the front seat and driving
for correct facts in the emerging information war we now see

Anders
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