Regular contributors experience is quite different from less frequent contributors and (above all) readers. People into user interfaces design surely have a proper word for this, but we're used to a variety of small tricks/habits which are somehow expensive to change.

For example, since OOUI's developed I've been upset because it seems to need some more keystrokes for blocks and deletions. I, for one, am still using monobook, and I won't change it unless forced.

Introducing visual editor implied a cost for the communities to fix garbage wikicode introduced by VE during its first weeks/months, some years later, linterrors became the best game for our bots.

So I can confirm the inertia of regular editors about user interface is, usually, humongous, but also the project themselves have an enormous inertia since they are collections of terabytes of wikicode created during almost two decades.

I feel like this problem has never been addressed in a wide, strategic, way, leaving developers being torn apart by conflicting needs.


Il giorno ven 15 ott 2021 alle ore 19:11 Eduardo Testart <> ha scritto:
Hi all,

A good example around this subject was the Visual Editor tool implementation, strongly opposed by the community in the beginning, and developed by the WMF, as it was probably necessary to turn Wikipedia into a more modern website.

A lot about the latter can be found and read as a real example of this debate 

The cultural behavior of the group is a big factor on any technological implementation on the Wikimedia world, and to change culture, you need much more than money.

Sorry if this was mentioned before.


El vie., 15 de oct. de 2021 07:13, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <> escribió:
No, I don't have all the answers. Is just that every time someone says: "hey! this is broken!" and receives an excuse and then says again "HEY! THIS IS BROKEN!" the answer is not: "ok, we'll try to figure out how to solve it" but: "don't use caps". I'm a volunteer. I have spent lots of time trying to solve issues. Most of this time wasn't about the issue, was about someone trying to convince me that the bug was a feature. And now, when I tell here where "I THINK" that the problem is, I get a "you are being rude" excuse. Great. I'm being rude. Now, can we fix the problem?



From: Dan Garry (Deskana) <>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 12:08 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 11:03, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <> wrote:
Thanks Dan for using the Excuse 6: At this point in the circle, there is some volunteer who wants to fix this and raises the tone of the request. Then we find the mother of all excuses, the wild card: you are being rude and do not assume good faith. Excuse 6.

I guess you've got all the answers then, eh?

I think we're done here.

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