Le 4 août 2017 à 12:03, Gilles Chagnon
<contact(a)gchagnon.fr> a écrit :
I think the two audits the board refers to as those by IDEAS.
However, except of the announcement of the final label, there was no report to the
community. An audit usually comes with recommendations and a series of good
points/concerns but as far as I know, no result was shared outside of the board/the
direction. I can understand that some points may be confidential, but I also think that
some conclusions could have been shared, provided the auditing organism had been told to
write their conclusion in a suitable way.
G. Chag
Le 04/08/2017 à 11:45, Ilario Valdelli a écrit :
Only an audit can answer. To switch from rumors
to facts, this is the most appropriate solution.
It seems that Wikimedia France had two audits (but it would be interesting to know if
limited only to the financial aspects) and another by the FDC.
The General Assembly can have the power to claim for an audit too, defining the auditing
entity.
Kind regards
On 04/08/2017 11:27, Leigh Thelmadatter wrote:
> Assuming of course that a chapter actually follows its bylaws....
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> The power of WMF, defined in the agreement, is basically limited to
> revoke the chapters agreement.
>
> There is no mention in the Chapters agreement that WMF can take a
> control of a chapter and to manage a General Assembly.
>
> You forget that the legal pilaster of a chapter is the bylaws.
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> On 04/08/2017 10:02, James Salsman wrote:
>> Rogol,
>>
>> What content protected by safe harbor provisions would the Foundation
>> be exerting editorial control over by requiring governance standards
>> of a Chapter?
>>
>> Is there some French law that requires charities to be more
>> independent of their international affiliates than would be under such
>> a requirement?
>>
>> The chapter agreements already contemplate this sort of control,
>> because they state, "The Chapter agrees ... to refrain from ...
>> engaging in any activity that might negatively impact the work or
>> image of the Wikimedia Foundation," and are revocable upon three
>> months notice.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonfors(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> If the Foundation is seen to be directing the activities of a chapter at
>>> the proposed level of micro-management then it would jeopardise the legal
>>> status both of the Foundation (in terms of their safe harbour status) and
>>> of the chapter (as an independent and charitable body). The Foundation is
>>> free to fund or not fund, to recognise or derecognise. But not to control.
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