Hoi,
Florence I totally agree that proper internatonalisation, localisation is
key. What is key for me is that this already provides an easy and obvious
search function for mediafiles that have a link to a Wikidata item. Just to
stress the point, this is a wiki, we do not need a fully functional search
engine (for all the Commons files); that is what we aspire to that is what
we work towards.. That will take years. But with a proper search tool, a
tool that makes it EASY to use Commons, it may fool me into using Commons
for my blog.
To show you that it works, I just looked for "baisikeli
<https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/baisikeli#Swahili>" and made a screenshot
[1]. The screenshot is with other files showing the evolution of this tool
in a Commons category [2]
Important to notice is that the tool DOES invite you to localise the
labels to French, Swahili et al for best results!!
A minor observation, there are all kinds of things that could change in
the user interface. Key is that this is a prototype. It is showing us how
we can make Commons work for us.
Thanks,
GerardM
[1]
On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 01:21, Florence Devouard <anthere(a)anthere.org>
wrote:
Le 24/05/2020 à 00:23, Erik Moeller a écrit :
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:10 AM Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hay Kranen created a proof of concept where
Commons is searched for
pictures that (per standard) use a "depicts" statement.
This is a
beautiful proof of concept; thank you for sharing it,
Gerard, and thank you, Hay, for developing it. It really illustrates
the power and importance of the Structured Data efforts.
To pick a different example, imagine that you want to illustrate an
article about the importance of wheelchair accessibility at your
university. You might try a major search engine like Google Images.
Try replacing the word "wheelchair" with translations in other
languages. Note how the result sets are different, and how you may get
a much smaller set of results in languages with a smaller Internet
presence.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wheelchair&tbm=isch (English)
https://www.google.com/search?q=kitimaguru&tbm=isch (Swahili, far less
relevant and smaller set)
In contrast, the use of Wikidata items means that, as long as a label
exists for a given language, you can search in _any_ language and get
the same images:
https://tools.wmflabs.org/hay/sdsearch/#q=haswbstatement:P180=Q191931
The fact that the UI of this tool is currently English is an
implementation detail; even with Hay's implementation, you can type in
"kitimaguru" and get the same results as in English.
Sorry Erik, but I do not follow you here...
For some reasons, it is true for "kitimaguru", but if I search for
"lamp" (EN) versus "lampe" (FR), or "key" (English) versus
"clé"
(French), I really do not get the same results at all and of course, it
does not proposes me the same Qs.
I love that functionality, do not get me wrong, I am delighted to see it.
But except for English speakers (and now Dutch speakers it seems), it
can not be used.
So wonderful proof of concept. But please... let's have all languages
here !
Florence
It would be wonderful to see this functionality developed further, and
to ultimately make this kind of search functionality central to the
user experience for Wikimedia Commons, so that speakers of any
language are given _meaningful_ access to freely reusable media.
Warmly,
Erik
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