Yes, but if oral tradition is recorded at the academic standard, why should
we be the first publication venue? Usually these people just publish books
in academic publishing houses.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:
There may be a way to do it on another project
designed for the purpose,
but that cannot be English Wikipedia, and I doubt that any project that
allows anonymous editing could manage it credibly. Oral tradition would at
least have to be sourced to the teller, and would have to be recorded by a
reliable and identified recorder, who can be held responsible for their due
diligence. This would not be an easy thing for a crowdsourced project, but
anything less would be like a magnet for everything we don't want.
Cheers,
Peter
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I do not have a perfect solution to introduce oral traditions in Wikipedia
today, but I’m convince that we need to find a way to do it.
Just to give you an illustration:
Today ,a significative amount of African topics in the Wikipedia in French
rely only on the work of only few French historian. Without saying they are
not honest, I find difficult to consider that there words have really so
more value than the words of the Ancient of the African tribes.
We know for sure than oral tradition will include bias, but do not forget
that the « traditional western historian work » are not exempt of bias too.
Charles
PS: IMHO, I find offensive the way you define oral traditions, but it may
be caused by a misconception from my part.
These are the definition I use for urban legend and oral tradition, very
different each other I think.
urban <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban#English> legend <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/legend#English> (plural urban legends <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban_legends#English>)
A widely circulated story <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/story> that is
untrue <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/untrue> or apocryphal <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apocryphal>gt;, often having elements of
humour <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/humour> or horror <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/horror>gt;.
oral <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oral#English> tradition <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tradition#English> (countable <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#countable> and
uncountable <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#uncountable>,
plural oral traditions <https://en.wiktionary.org/
wiki/oral_traditions#English>)
Cultural <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/culture> material transmitted <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/transmit> orally from one generation <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/generation> to another.
Le 4 oct. 2017 à 21:11, Yaroslav Blanter
<ymbalt(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
You might be right, and the goal is indeed to differentiate between
them. I just do not see how it could be implemented in practice. A
legend is a legend, be it urban or not.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Chandres Wikipedia
<chandres.wp(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> to Wikipedia. They might still be a separate WMF project, which is
>> likely to be problematic (since it is really difficult to
>> differentiate between say folk tales and the oral traditions which
>> state that Earth is flat and that all US presidents report to the
>> Zionist Occupational Government),
> but
>>
>
> For me, your definition of oral tradition is the one of « urban legend
».
TO my
understanding, oral tradition refer to culture where the
History of the tribes/nation/people is transmit only by a spoken way
and never put on paper. Am I wrong?
charles
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