Mark Williamson wrote:
Then the native
speakers who are from the culture that concerns the language
should be the ones setting up the wiki, running the wiki, and deciding
who will or will
not be contributors. It should not be done by folks who do not speak
the language or do not know the culture.
They *are* the ones doing this. The discussion here is about
restrictions being placed on these people.
What we *are* discussing is whether or not these people should be
burdened with translating LanguageBat-ltg.php before they even get
their own Wikipedia. Nothing more, nothing less.
Completing a language file is reasonable and must be done. Period.
There are XML dumps and other
logostics reasons why this makes sense.
By way of
example, there's a lot of Dine folks who are interested in working
on Wikipedia projects, but in my discussions with them, they have
little interest in
getting involved with non-natives with their language, and a lot of it
deals with control issues
and the lack of desire to interact with people outside of their culture.
If they wish to work on the Navajo Wikipedia, I would see no problem
with finding a suitable sysop who is a native speaker of that
language, and if they wish I would be willing to leave right away.
There is no need to deal with non-speakers or non fluent speakers or
"outsiders".
I don't think it is all on you, and the issue goes beyond having admins
who are not speakers. Dine people
have an aversion to dealing with what they term "white culture". They
would look at it more like "Do I want
to help Wikipedia take in money by using our language without our
consent". There's also the whole elder
authority thing to deal with as well. 60 year old Dine speakers are not
going to hang around long if they get
chased around by trolls and 18 year old admins.
I'm not sure what your point is here.
You got the point, you just disagree with it. That's ok though.
Jeff