First, if the conclusion is that no procedure exists, a notice should be put on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects stating this so that peoples' expectations are appropriately managed.
Second, is that correct? Looking at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Her... it seems that there certainly was a procedure in the past where articles were shifted back into the Incubator.
Most importantly, should there be a procedure? Keeping projects open is a drain on resources, such as removing vandalism. There is a level of activity below which the positive benefits of the project are outweighed by the drain, although it's clearly not worth closing a project if the effort to do this is not a worthwhile investment.
Do you need particular user rights to action such requests?
----- "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
From: "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, 20 August, 2009 19:01:39 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Closure of projects
Hoi, There is no procedure because what comes closest to a consensus amount to a lot of work. Work that does not forward our mission one iota. The fact that people vote and comment is not that special, people do ... if they vote that I will wear a tutu at Wikimania and a consensus says that I should, I still have to volunteer to wear that tutu. It is the same as voting for a bug in bugzilla. The votes are not considered so why bother ?
As to the language committee, it does only consider new requests for projects ... if it were to expand its services it would be in indicating what issues exist that deal with language support that would make a difference to the usability of our software. It would not be drinking from the poisoned chalice that is closing projects. The closest we came to expressing an opinion is that we would prefer the content of a to be closed project to be imported into the Incubator. This is a not good for Incubator because they get dead wood loaded into their project ....
So all in all in my opinion it is best to leave these things as is and ignore requests for closure. Thanks, GerardM
2009/8/20 Huib! Abigor@forgotten-beauty.com
Hello,
I noticed that there are still a lot of open request for closure on Meta so I decided to contact a LangCom member (Robin) asking him about how and when the projects will be closed or when the requests will be closed, but I recieved a answer I didn't expected.
Robin told me there was no policy ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Closure_of_WMF_projects ) about the closure of projects so the request can stay open for always.
I think its kind of strange that we people can make a request, that there are people who are voting and spending there time commenting on the request or even worse have stress because there project could be closed but the request will never be closed.
Is there a way to change this with a new policy, or with a different com for the closure, because this seems to me a waste of time for a lot of people, people can stop editting projects just because the think the project will be closed.
At this moment there are 27 request for projects to be closed, ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects ) I think 50% is a easy closure for keep or close. The oldest project is from 2007 that would mean its still open after 2 years :/
-- *Huib Laurens*
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