seems to be na rationale to allow fair use except that a large part of the
english community objects.
You keep repeating that NC and ND will be tolerated as "fair use", but so
far I've read no rationale for regarding them as such. They are simply two
totally different concepts.
On 2/22/07, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
When material is used with a "Fair Use" argumentation, the license that
this material would otherwise be available under is irrelevant. The
material could even have a commercial license. The claim of Fair Use
trumps any license restriction. When someone wants to re-publish
Wikipedia, the same claim of Fair Use should apply. This is why it has
to conform to the laws of the US and the local law(s).
It is therefore really simple. On its own ND and NC will not be
permitted. Within the limits of the law, there may be an EDP.
Peter van Londen schreef:
I politely disagree,
This will be the case when you leave too much room for interpretations.
By using an EDP approach, you leave all possibilities open for
non-conforming material to the freedomdefined definition. You might
the gap of too far off EDP's with a control
by anyone, any committee
(although there seems to be a disagreement between Kat and Eric about
but allowing images within an EDP conflicting
with the freedomdefined
definition, like Fair Use, opens up in principle all possibilities for
communities to do whatever they want, conflicting with the original
I asked you to explain me how you can use fair use images for commercial
exploitation and for derivative works: you could not David. But I am not
opposed to using Fair Use, as long as there are no juristic detrimental
implications for the Wikimedia projects, but then be clear about it. The
draft can be adjusted, so that interpretations can be minimized.
Forget about an EDP: use the freedomdefined definition, with two
Fair use images for the EN:WP and another
exception for the Polish
Any other exception should have to be approved by
Kind regards, Londenp
2007/2/22, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>om>:
> On 22/02/07, Kat Walsh <kwalsh(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> I am afraid of misconceptions and misinterpretations spreading too far
>> about what is to be allowed and what isn't, and I've been hearing
>> misinterpretations both on the too-inclusive and too-exclusive side...
> I fear it's a case where either side will seize on anything that could
> possibly support their obviously correct view rather than the
> obviously misguided opposing view.
> - d.
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