Re: [Foundation-l] Native Cherokee Langage XML Dumps posted for 20060702 Wikipedia

Mathias Schindler wrote: result |= (Wikipedia == Wikimedia); You mean I might find people who can read Cherokee. I can certainly post there, and to be honest, I have not seen much traffic on this list and aside from folks asking for handouts from the Foundation, I haven't seen much in the way of useful dialouge on this list, with the exception of Danny, Brad, and Mr. Wales, so your suggestion of another list is certainly welcome. Since Wikipedia has only 50 articles in Cherokee at chr.wikipedia.org, and the translations are not only wrong (University Students "Guessing" at word contruction), but terrible in quality, The only Cherokee Wikipedia (substantive one) is this one. Using the Wikimedia Foundation name is one thing, which I have not done, but calling Wikipedia's Content (which I did not alter other than to translate) as "Wikipedia" is following the GFDL attribution requirements since I cannot possibly name all of the authors. This is particularly true since Wikimedia publishes XML dumps with Wikipedia references in not less than 774,231 places in the last dump alone and with embedded icon logic in the dumps to create links back to Wikipedia. If Wikimedia does not wants its dumps used "as is" it should remove these Wikipedia references from theXML dumps. From what I understand, Wikimedia's mission is to promote its content for education and human enrichment. Translating to Cherokee and creating textbooks seems to fit this model, particularly since the content is being targeted for our education programs. There are only 232,000 of my people and of these only 5,000 are fluent native speakers. This means our "community" which is the community I serve, needs Wikipedia's entire content for our programs and needs translations. I am unaware of any other Native American Laguage Program involving Wikipedia which has gotten this far. I have replicated Wikipedia in English, Syllabary, and Phonetics -- without anyones help. Mr. Wales has stated he wishes the Cherokee People to write with their own voice, unfortunately, the older TTY Cherokee fonts do not map to the syllabary, so no one on any computer can edit Cherokee on Wales site unless they feel like typing in &XXXX format and trying to make sense of it. There are no editors for non syllabary. My site allows phonetic editng and the programs will convert to syllabary. There's another problem with the Otali dialect no longer mapping to the syllabary, so Wales Cherokee site is basically worthless to our folks as a remote repository. That's why the project has failed to date. I have reviewed who you are and your role here, and I appreciate you taking the time to address these issues. I am certainly willing to listen to input and clarification, but I am not interested in turf wars over who controls Wikipedia or Wikimedia. I am here to complete an important task -- that's all. Jeff