Well, I don't know the fact directly but the standard procedure is to
discuss it with a local administrator on the relevant talk page or notice
board. So, Vermont is correct.
The T&S does not usually take action in cases that can generally be handled
by the local community. Thus, responses such as "falls outside the
Foundation's remit" isn't bad in such cases.
Regards.
Isaac
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 22:51 Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l, <
wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Chris,
More generally, conduct issues are handled locally. We do not have a
central authority to handle issues like this; local communities are, in the
vast majority of cases, capable of handling conduct problems of it’s
editors. Not to mention that T&S would be incapable of handling every minor
conduct problem.
It also is not something that is usually emailed to emergency@; if there’s
extensive problems with harassment, and local functions do not work,
ca(a)wikimedia.org will get you in touch with T&S who can look into the
issue.
However, you haven’t tried to handle this locally. Creating an ANI section,
seeing that people aren’t 100% in agreement with your preferred outcome,
and then removing it is not very helpful towards resolving this.
From my somewhat limited looking into the events, there’s been some
problematic shows of incivility on from both parties, with WWGB using the
word “cutie” in an offhand edit summary. It isn’t appropriate, it certainly
didn’t improve their point, but calling it sexual harassment and hoping for
the WMF or others to take immediate and dire action without community input
is misleading and unrealistic. On a collaborative project, problems are
handled collaboratively with uninvolved editors looking at the issue from a
third party perspective, giving their input, and at some point an
administrator coming along to enact the consensus. That’s why noticeboards
of this type exist, which discuss and evaluate conduct issues to seek a
resolution. We do not know how other community members and admins would
have participated in the discussion because it was cut short.
I noticed that you said, on Facebook, that you did not feel safe talking to
WWGB directly about it, and that you did not feel safe on ANI. I’m very
sorry to hear this; though I am not sure what you believe to be unsafe
about leaving a talk page message stating your having taken offense at
WWGB’s remarks, or asking for input from administrators and the community
to resolve the issue, those are the methods of fixing issues. If either
action were met with hostility, insult, or further harassment, there would
be a very clear and simple case for an administrator to take action, and
thus would have been much easier. If WWGB, however, apologized and agreed
not to continue with such conduct in the future, it would also have been
much easier. We don’t have a sort of secret police to handle issues in
private. The community processes exist for a reason, and when permitted to
take place, usually work.
Best regards,
Vermont
On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 17:27 Aron Manning <aronmanning5(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 22:43, Chris Sherlock
<chris.sherlock79(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about being
> sexually harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no
private
mechanisms to report this sort of thing.
Is this for real?
Assuming you've contacted Trust&Safety, "falls outside of the
Foundation's
remit" is a standard answer to receive as a
regular editor.
Bringing the issue to ANI it will most likely be ignored. If your issue
is
with a long-term / established editor it has a
significant chance to
boomerang <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wp:BOOMERANG>.
Sadly, this is for real and somewhat the reason behind the UCoC proposal.
Whether that will change this is another question.
Aron
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