Hi Cormac and Anthere,
First, I'd like to amplify what I wrote earlier:
... bring this good thing to fruition, or just kill it
outright, so that it
can find a better home in this world.
On Friday 21 July 2006 07:14, Cormac Lawler wrote:
On 7/20/06, Anthere <Anthere9(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
In the past few days, I have been considering the
three levels, data,
information and knowledge. Most of our projects are actually providing
"information". Wiktionary is rather providing "data". Wikibooks is
sometimes providing "information" but it is sometimes wandering in
"knowledge". Wikiversity will definitly entering the field of knowledge
and this is what worried editors the most (the teaching part). Still, if
I look well, the Foundation is claiming bringing knowledge. I see no
reason why this project should not be started.
that's a really good way of putting it. The way I've always seen
Wikiversity is that we are not simply providing information, but
generating knowledge. That, after all, is what learning is all about.
I would argue (and have done) that generating knowledge and learning
is an incidental part of what we do as participants on any Wikimedia
project - it's just that we make this an explicit aspect of
To backtrack slightly, when we got going on the modified Wikiversity
proposal, in the wake of the community vote and the board
non-approval, we were at a loss to tie together the interests/needs of
several in the community who wanted to teach courses, and the board's
recommendation that we "exclude online courses". Our solution is to
primarily host content, while also providing for learning
communities/study groups around this content - networks/spaces for
asking and answering questions, or posing and solving problems.
However, I think in order to be sustainable, Wikiversity will need to
put a primacy on its content, as was suggested by Daniel (Mav). We
simply do not know how communities will work - this is an experimental
side to Wikiversity, which could fail, though I anticipate it to be
its central success :-)
I'm truly fighting with myself to find the right way to get what is in my
brain into your brains, most efficiently, and vice versa. I began editing
last night to try to begin
informing you of what I'm actually trying to do with The Perl Wiki, in
This "particular" wiki is going to be the central wiki for the
community (a global community), and it's "particular" system and it's
"particular" methods are going to fully integrate with everything
available from Wikimedia to the fullest extent possible. The "particular"
community is going to be the main source of "particular" Expertise, Data,
Information and Knowledge, and the "particular" community will have its
Teachers and its Learners at its "particular" University tied right into
Wikiversity and its extremely valuable "general" Educational Resources. If
this "particular" University manages to get itself accredited (etc.), in the
future, on its own, then that will be an absolutely great thing to happen for
that "particular" community.
About The Perl Wiki, or "The Glue Wiki":
This central Wiki is going to be like "The Free Encyclopedia" of Perl.
This central Wiki is going to be like "The Free Dictionary" of Perl.
This central Wiki is going to be like "The Free Library" of Perl.
This central Wiki is going to be like "The Free Debate Forum" of Perl.
PAST: This central Wiki is going to tell "The Perl Legacy."
PRESENT: This central Wiki is going to tell "The Perl Story."
FUTURE: This central Wiki is going to lead "The Perl Future."
This central Wiki has an free and open Steering Committee forum.
How will a "particular" community work everyone? That's why I originally
here to ask my "particular" questions to the Wikimedia experts on
foundation-l, just so that I begin prototyping one for my own "particular"
I hope this helps you Cormac.:)
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