On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net> wrote:
The fact of
the matter is that there would be a much bigger uproar if the
NSA were caught doing what Aaron Swartz did, on American soil against an
innocent American company. If NSA were caught breaking into wiring
closets
and hacking into computer networks, the 4th Amendment violation would be
way more obvious and incontrovertible.
Within the United States the FBI, has the authority, in appropriate
cases, with a warrant, to engage in such activity.
That they can do it with a warrant is why I said an *innocent* American
company. I'm quite aware of the existence of sneak-and-peak warrants. If
these are being issued to hack into the networks of Google and Yahoo and
all, without any evidence that Google and Yahoo and all were breaking the
law, then I think evidence of this would cause a huge uproar, and that the
practice would be found to be in violation of the 4th Amendment.
If there was a valid
finding by a Federal District Court judge that the was a valid reason it
would not be a 4th amendment violation.
By definition, if the warrant is valid, then the 4th Amendment is not
violated, because a warrant which violates the 4th Amendment is not a valid
one.
But that's nothing more than hand waving. A warrant allowing the
government to break into an MIT wiring closet and from there hack into the
JSTOR network (spoofing IP and MAC addresses in order to get around
blocks), without any evidence of wrongdoing on the part of MIT or JSTOR,
would not be valid.
Maybe by "valid" you meant procedurally valid, and not substantively valid?
If so, you're just wrong.
For those not familiar with the case against Aaron Swartz, who might be
under the mistaken impression that all he did was download a bunch of
public domain resources, Orin Kerr has a good summary at
http://www.volokh.com/2013/01/14/aaron-swartz-charges/ where he concludes
"the charges against Swartz were based on a fair reading of the law".
There is more than one source,
not just what happens to be on the front page this
week. Additionally, we
are not bound by the canon of generally accepted knowledge in our
discussions. That is our rule for encyclopedia articles, not our rules
for thinking.
I'm not sure whose rules for thinking you're talking about. Personally I
have a rule against believing things without evidence. In some cases
that's more lenient than Wikipedia's sourcing rules (original research is
great), and in some cases it's more strict (I don't believe everything I
read in the mainstream news).