Trying to keep the discussion in scope, this is a direct link to the flag in question: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Free_Palestine.svg

It does not show any statements, but the word Palestine in both Latin and Arabic scripts.

Not sure why we should talk about slavery (a breach of basic human rights) or what trolls do on the Chinese Wikipedia.

Some other notes:
* I'm not the only one who has this flag on their userpage, the other user was also blocked.
* I got unblocked by another admin the day after I was blocked, but the unblock request of the other user was declined, although expired since.
* I am thinkng about a de-adminship proposal for the blocking admin. This incident made me mentally tired, and no good faith (and veteran) editor should go through this again.

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 18:40 William Chan <william@wchan.hk> wrote:
The Chinese issue: I don't see the Chinese community of any hope considering the mainland Chinese community is now basically a rotten Apple, with acts of stalking against Hong Kong and Taiwan editors, plus history revisionism being carried out within articles by mainland editors ans tolerated by admins of the same region, while, at the same time, manipulate local community discussion and opinion when such acts are brought into open discussion.

Of course this won't get discussed as the scale is too large for even Hong Kong and Taurean editors to properly draft something for the wider movement to access (plus the Orwellian security law stomped on Hong Kong editors last year) (plus the hostility of those editors).

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Oh and back to the issue: in Chinese Wikipedia, there's a requirement to only state your opinion regarding one matter once if you want so, and some pro-CCP editors from China basically manipulate such thing and wrote one whole page of statements opposing things such as them opposing Hong Kong independence (once), another one about Taiwan independence (etc), highlighted in deep red and make it so appeaeant with other font modifiers.

So basically, if you want to troll in user pages (not staying the original person doing so), there are numerous loopholes that, if editors are in good faith, would not have even thought of even if they are pretending to be violators. 💁

William.

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 21:36, Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote:
lots of basic human rights are being trampled on everyday, its not uncommon for mainland chinese editors who report on behalf of communities from Taiwan and Hong Kong yet they never get challenged for doing so on movement lists.

So where is the line,  can it ever be a very finely detail or will it always be big, grey, and fuzzy. 

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 21:26, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <galder158@hotmail.com> wrote:
Friendly reminder: Slavery is against human rights.
From: Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 2:22 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag
 
I do not know. Whoever puts a userbox "I support slavery" on their user page on the English Wikipedia invites a fast block does not matter what their edits in the articles are.

I do not think there is a universal answer to this question.

Yaroslav

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 1:31 PM Satdeep Gill <satdeepgill@gmail.com> wrote:
But was there something in the editing. People should be free to say FREE TIBET in their user pages, for instance but can be really reasonable editors.

In a way, we are also unbiased and neutral point of view is something we all look upto but can never trully achieve.

Best
Satdeep

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 4:57 PM Peter Southwood <peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:

The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user page, and who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so expressing a political opinion on a user page could be  considered a declaration of partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour.  

Cheers,

Peter

 

From: Frederick Noronha [mailto:fredericknoronha@gmail.com]
Sent: 30 June 2021 00:57
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

 

Just seeking clarity:

Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a userpage? 

A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal.

Can't this be discussed in the public domain?

FN

 

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 03:34, Gereon Kalkuhl <gkalkuhl@freenet.de> wrote:

Dear 4nn1|2,

Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write that it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a statement: free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the Persian Wikipedia removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file on the same day. I'm not judging anything here, but please be more precise in your accusations.

Thank you,
Gereon

Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:

If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private message and I can explain better.

 

Best

 

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.wiki@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Wikimedians,

 

Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and nonesense adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on my userpage (of course they have already removed it from my userpage and you need to see a previous revision of my userpage).

 

 

Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!

 

I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed. They block users for the most friviolous reasons.

 

What does this mean?

 

Yours faithfully,

User:4nn1l2

 

 

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