The code of conduct is not a law. People who are harassers are criminals
and not above the law. Sexual harassment is a serious offense. Any kind
of harrasment is an offense. Wikipedia s administrators are not the law
and not above the law.
Wikipedia is not above the law.
The international aspects and the fact that WMF protects editors privacy
makes options outside the movement very limited to only the extreme end of
the scale. Beside the legal aspect its a cop out for the Community & WMF to
dismiss any harassment as something they cant do anything about, this
response is why AN/I is also a waste of time and why so much harassment
never gets dealt with, ultimately why the movement has difficulty in
attracting under represented groups
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 13:14, Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής <
anonymuswikipedian(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The code of conduct is not a law.
People who are harassers are criminals and not above the law.
Sexual harassment is a serious offense. Any kind of harrasment is an
offense. Wikipedia s administrators are not the law and not above the law.
Wikipedia is not above the law.
People who seek help should be appointed to the right specialized
authorities as the police and not discouraged to do so.
Safety team from my experience, will not help any wikipedian/victim who
with report a harrasment case. They are just another department of
wikimedia foundation.
Any people is important and count.
Please take what ever actions you think is necessary.
I believe you.
Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 7:39 π.μ. ο χρήστης Robert Myers <
robert.myers(a)wikimedia.org.au> έγραψε:
And there the problem lies, going to local
authorities (police) isn’t
going to be useful. Some authorities require the alleged crime to be
committed in their jurisdiction, which can be limited, anonymous nature
of
the person who committed the alleged crime makes
it difficult to identify
the individual(s), with it servers hosted outside the jurisdiction make
it
harder to investigate. Also I have seen in the
past, WP:LEGAL used
against
those who have reported threats of physical
violence or harassment
(physical stalking) to law enforcement.
I do think there needs to be a off-wiki complaint process for serious
allegations, since on-wiki processes can be inappropriate and acts as a
chilling effect (since it is very open and public) on the victim(s). The
same situation can occur for alleged perpetrator(s), where the
allegation(s) are false or vexatious and malicious grievances.
Maybe the Universal Code of Conduct might address this issue, it might
not
as well.
--
Robert Myers
robert.myers(a)wikimedia.org.au
http://www.wikimedia.org.au
On 24 Aug 2020, at 1:37 pm, Ανώνυμος
Βικιπαιδιστής <
anonymuswikipedian(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you ve been sexually harassed in wikipedia this is not a matter to
be
solved on
a mailing list or by Safety team. Go to you local authorities
and
> report it. This is a very serious matter to just become an essay for
> someone or belive that it can be solved by administrators or safety
team.
> Safety team in my harassment case told me to
"politely" ask my
harrasers
to
> stop harassing me. Please don t relay on them for such a serious
matter!
Please be
safe and I m sure you can seek help by trained and serious
people
by your local authorities.
I wish someone could told me that in my case then and not point me to
safety team. They will not help you.
Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 3:41 π.μ. ο χρήστης Gnangarra <
gnangarra(a)gmail.com>
> έγραψε:
>
>> If someone feels harassed then a public noticeboard is the last place
to
>> send them for help, that is an absolute
failure of the community to
>> understand that the act of reporting is also doubling down on the
harm.
>> Doing so publicly is indicating to the
person committing the
harassment
> that
they have succeeded in causing harm.
>
> This folks is the very reason why we fail to retain editors and breach
the
> imbalance of editors and continue have
trouble with bias. Everyone
speaks
>> english but the cultural nuances of the language vary greatly with
words
>
having multiple meanings and being used specifically to cause offense.
>
> The word cutie has its meanings;
>
> - of being nice looking when talking about kids and animals
>
> but once its used referring to an adult as part of a discussion its
changes
>> to that of them being;
>>
>> - of being an arsehole
>> - of being picky
>> - and of having sexual connotations ranging from you are fuckable,
to
>> your sexual orientation.
>>
>> When these complaints get to something like AN/I those cultural and
>> linguistic nuances get dismissed and the person using them has gained
a
lot
> of power, self satisfaction, and endorsement
of their harassment as
being
> ok, with a bonus that other users are now
also enabled to harass the
> complaining editor knowing full well that AN/I will do nothing.
>
> The bottom line is if a person feels harassed they have been harassed,
> whether we understand the depth of why they feel harassed is not
relevant
>> but that should not be a barrier to prevent further harassment.
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 06:21, Isaac Olatunde <
reachout2isaac(a)gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Chris,
>>
>> This isn't a terribly bad advise, AFAICS.
>>
>> Harassments are treated on a case-by-case basis.
>>
>> So, if this is something you aren't comfortable discussing publicly,
you
>> could email the Functionary team or
ArbCom or similar body in that
>> community.
>>
>> If it's something that should be removed from public view, you could
>> contact the oversight team.
>>
>> I can't see the contents of the harassment, so I can only speak based
on
>>> general principle.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Isaac
>>>
>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 23:07 Chris Sherlock, <
chris.sherlock79(a)gmail.com
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be clear, this is what I was advised:
>>>>
>>>> “ Harassment concerns can be reviewed under the appropriate
community
>>> process. I would therefore advise you to report the edit summary to
the
>>>> appropriate channels on the wiki it occured. If this happened on
>> English
>>>> Wikipedia, this would be the Administrator's board for incidents.
>>>> I hope the above is helpful.”
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On 24 Aug 2020, at 6:43 am, Chris Sherlock <
>> chris.sherlock79(a)gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about
>> being
>>>> sexually harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no
>> private
>>>> mechanisms to report this sort of thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this for real?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Sherlock
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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