Hoi, The current practice is to upload large collections with a category that is specific to the material it came from. New categories are matched to existing categories and they are merged. So uploading them as they are IS nothing new. The problem is that when material is included that is not English, it means that it originates from outside of the Anglo Saxon world and thereby helps address the existing bias towards the anglo saxon world.
While material in Dutch does not help the English, the Spanish, the Japanese, it only means that people that only speak Spanish or Japanse will find that to them Commons does not provide any service, add any value. Thanks, GerardM
2009/7/15 Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, How does it help to find material in Commons when you do not know English
??
Practically it is nice that we spend money on improving the upload
facility
of MediaWiki. In the end it makes no difference when you cannot find the images. Functionally Commons is useless as a consequence to all the
people
who do not speak English.
When you reply PLEASE remember what the Wikimedia Foundation is there
for..
Thanks, GerardM
2009/7/15 Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Why should the term base be translated ? Is it not more important to
be
gained by getting all this material in the public domain ??
I do however agree with you. All the material that is about Indonesia
should
be translated to Indonesian. For them it is very much the opening up
of
material that is part of their cultural history. Translating it into
English
does not make it easier for Indonesians to find this material. Thanks, GerardM
2009/7/15 John at Darkstar vacuum@jeb.no
At least the term base should be translated. John
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, I have been in discussion with the Tropenmuseum in Amsterdam about
making
their material available on Commons. The Tropenmuseum has an
important
collection on the colonial past of the Netherlands and contains a
rich
collection on Suriname and Indonesia. The initial talks are about
100.000
images.
The annotations of this material is all in Dutch. It will come with
unique
identifiers back to the physical object in the Tropenmuseum and it
will
come
with the termbase for the images; this termbase is as I understand
it
the
equivalent of our categories. Some of the material has a partial
translation
in English and, this can be provided to us as well.
The key issue I want to raise is that there are hundreds of museums
in
the
Netherlands, Belgium and Suriname all using Dutch there are more
museums
in
Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Lichtenstein who speak German ....
While
we
aim to improve our front end to allow for easy uploads, we do not
provide
language support. Language support will help people find pictures
in
their
language and will help the matching of categories into other
languages.
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There is certainly a value to having things in English. It aids
translation
into more languages. It's a lot harder to find people who speak Dutch and Spanish, French and Russian or Greek and Japanese. You're more likely to find
people
who speak English in addition to their native tongue, which allows them
to
translate it.
-Chad
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And when something is uploaded in Dutch, how do you expect this to help Spanish speakers? Or Japanese speakers? When you translate to English, you facilitate translation into other languages too. I'm not saying translate to English and let it be, I'm saying translate it to English to aid in retranslation.
-Chad
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