Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

-- *Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland* Mariaplaats 3 - 3511 LH Utrecht Kamer van Koophandel 17189036 http://www.wikimedia.nl/ 2018-07-25 11:01 GMT+02:00 Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com: > Hi Jane, > > I think Andres is completely right of this description, that the whole > exercise was designed by functionaries for functionaries, and nobody ever > thought that volunteers working on the projects could be involved. > > It is indeed right that many of those do not care about the strategy > discussions and just edit in their projects (though even say a Wikipedia > editor from time to time confronts the situation that Commons and Wikidata > exist but do not necessarily have the same policies as their project). But > many do care. In the 2010 strategy discussions, we had the volunteer > editors providing the input, and this is why this was a success. > Apparently, this time there were a large number of applications from the > volunteer editors who are not functionaries. > > Now, you can say that functionaries and staffers are sometimes editors as > well. Indeed, some of them are and are well respected in the communities > (Maggie Dennis is a great example). Some edited the projects before but > since then have gone inactive and have no idea what is going on in the > communities. Some are openly fighting with the communities and have no or > very little respect there. Some never edited. Well, you can of course make > a selection and hope that these selected people understand everything about > the variety of our projects. May be. Or may be not. We had in the past very > bad decisions which WMF, with varying degree of success, tried to impose on > the projects. I often had an impression that people making these decisions > had no understanding of what is actually going on the projects, and do not > even know whom to ask. > > Now the whole process only convinces me that this would repeat more and > more often. Especially since in the first round much of the project > feedback was ignored. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote: > > > Hmm. Yes and no. Yes the May 2017 conference suffered from some > interesting > > selection bias, but no the people there were not all brainwashed into > > forgetting their "wildness". We are all still wild wild Wikipedians at > > heart, speaking for the 2006 cohort in its entirety. I really doubt > whether > > the WMF is trying to shove us all in a direction of their choosing. I > think > > that we are in fact split down the middle into parties that believe "some > > languages are better than others" and "let's save all existing languages > on > > the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and offline". Then > > there is a huge discrepancy in workflow for these people and the folks > who > > work in just one language and never think of language as a movement topic > > at all. Among this monolingual crowd (many of whom do not subscribe to > any > > mailing list or other communication outlets) are the overlapping groups > > between the "field workers" and the "library workers". The field workers > > tend to operate more by a "drive-by" methodology, and the "library > workers" > > tend to operate more by a "step-by-step" methodology. I respectfully > submit > > that we have all dabbled in all of these worlds and therefore we all have > > enough common sense to shout "Whoa!" if something really really wrong > gets > > proposed. But in the past I have felt quite strongly that something was > > really really wrong, but it turned out it was just a factor of me being > > unaware of workflow difficulties experienced by others. So e.g. > personally > > I was against the idea of "protected pages" but have come around to > seeing > > they are useful - even on Wikidata. > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Anders Wennersten < > > mail@anderswennersten.se> wrote: > > > > > As I see it the strategy process is run for the functionaries in the > > > movement and by them. People with focus on contributing to the projects > > are > > > not involved, when volunteers is mentioned it is mostly people running > > > worskhops for beginners etc, a kind of semi functionaries, not the hard > > > core contributes. > > > > > > This could be a good thing and foster a new set of moment leaders, > fully > > > in agreement with goals and strategy. It could also be seen as a > > weakness, > > > as we do not recognize the more "wild" (but creative)y culture in our > > > communities and only have the "nice" and obedient culture being > accepted. > > > > > > Facts > > > > > > The vision was really created in Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries > > > > > > The way forward was defined by Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries > > > > > > The set up of work groups was from the beginning set up to include > > (only) > > > functionaries (time requirement, and first it was also talked of > > candidates > > > should be endorsed by local chapters). And the actual selection was not > > > done transparent as is the culture of the communities but by "boss" > > > selection (I only feel the movement is starting to resemble a big > > company, > > > not the vibrant communities) > > > > > > Anders > > > > > > > > > > > > Den 2018-07-24 kl. 21:29, skrev Yaroslav Blanter: > > > > > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:16 PM, David Cuenca Tudela < > dacuetu@gmail.com > > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> I do not know what really happened but if I listen to what has been > said > > >> here and earlier on similar occasions, my conclusion is that for the > > >> Strategy Team we - volunteers who are working on the projects but are > > not > > >> associated with the chapters, do not show up at Wikimania, do not > attend > > >> real-life tutorials organized by WMF - just do not exist. > > >> > > >> If this is the case, this is a serious gap to be bridged. So far I > have > > >> net > > >> see even an acknowledgement of its existence. > > >> > > >> Cheers > > >> Yaroslav > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > >> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > >> i/Wikimedia-l > > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > > >> mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe >