Without the five persons that make the difference, there is no chapter
Andrew, the NYC does not need my approval but given what I know of their
activities so far, they are doing great. This does however not mean that the
issues that are raised have been answered, far from it.
Your realisation that several national chapters have not been performing as
they should is correct. It is however not the issue that we are discussing.
At the same time Ting indicated that the board takes this seriously and this
gives me hope that non performance is not without consequence.
2009/1/20 Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111(a)gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Gerard Meijssen
When the right five friends come together, they
do not need their dog to
make a successful organisation. Five people are enough to make a bored,
people are enough to raise money. It takes
dedication and a lot of
5 people is not critical mass, and I cannot imagine that the chapcom
would approve a potential chapter that has only 5 members. 5 people
can do many wonderful things, but that does not make them a chapter.
Ting ruled out the existence of an USA chapter
because of the existence
the New York chapter. It is equally clear that
the WMF organisation does
want to fulfill the role of an USA chapter. When
Dan asks me and Anthere
to use the "sub-chapter" word, he is
right in that the board names them a
chapter, but the issue of the New York chapter having fewer abilities and
responsibilities is conveniently swept under the carpet in this way.
This is all blatantly false. What "abilities" and "responsibilities"
are not available to WMNYC that our other national-level chapters
have? Besides the fact that the WMF itself is based on the USA and
therefore is more able to enter into business agreements with
companies here then in other countries, I see no limitation on this or
any other subnational chapter. Do not assume that this group is at any
disadvantage compared to our other national chapters. In fact, this
chapter is in BETTER shape then some of our national chapters are,
having already sponsored a number of outreach projects, creating
working relationships with other organizations, and soliciting
high-profile donations from museums and other content repositories. We
have national chapters that have not had as much activity in the last
year that WMNYC has had in the last two months.
The prefix sub indicates that it is less then the
norm. For me it is
that some great five or more people will make the
NYC a success. What I
to learn is in what way the national concerns
that I expect a functional
chapter to take care off will be handled for the USA. This is the crucial
bit of thinking, information that is missing. And as long as this is not
clear, the NYC is a sub-par to me.
WMNYC does not need to impress you, and does not need your approval
Gerard. Their success will be measured in volunteers, donation
dollars, and media contributed to our projects. What "national
concerns" do you expect that they will not be able to address? Our
"sub-national" nomenclature indicates only that they are smaller in
size then the country that contains them, nothing more. If I called
them a "super-municipal chapter" or a "regional chapter", would your
opinion of them improve? If I called our current chapters "sub-global"
or "sub-continental", would that change your opinion of them too?
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