On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Platonides <Platonides(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sebastián González wrote:
As I have been informed at Meta, the legal
disclaimers of the wikipedia
in
english were formulated by a lawyer of the
foundation, and it's content
is
beyond discussion or consensus of the community
of users. If one day
there's
the need to modify something of it, it would be
decided by the
foundation.
By logic, the same thing would apply to the disclaimers of all
wikipedias,
wich are traductions of the one in english. But
are those disclaimers
binding documents in the legal sense, or just of informative purposes?
The
GNU free documentation license states "In
case of a disagreement between
the
translation and the original version of this
License or a notice or
disclaimer, the original version will prevail", does something similar
applies between disclaimers of wikipedia?
Let's provide a working example of this. The disclaimer of the wikipedia
in
spanish, located at
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Limitaci%C3%B3n_general_de_responsab…
,
does not include any mention to the paragraph
"Jurisdiction and
legality
of content" of the version in english, wich states that the database is
maintained in reference to the protections afforded under local and
federal
law of the state of Florida, in the United
States. Far from being just a
part that was missing due to an incomplete translation, I have seen that
some users, including some admins, deliberately refuse to acknowledge the
authority of US law over the content of wikipedia, either as a plot to
prevent consensus about non-free content from ever happening or as a
mistaken display of patriotism.
Diffs? You can see in the history page [1] that it hasn't been received
changes nor edit conflicts recently.
All changes for the last year were minor, as even non-Spanish speakers
can see [2]
Same applies for the talk page: only minor issues (borders, interwikis...).
As far as I understand (but correct me if
I'm wrong) being written in spanish and having a huge majority of admins
and
users from spanish speaking countries rather than
from the US do not
erase
the ties with the US and turn the laws of Spain,
Argentina, Venezuela or
other spanish speaking countries into the only ones the project would
answer
to.
I feel you have personal issues with it. Sorry if it is not, but there
have been too many people coming to this list to complain about X done
(wrongly [3]) on project Y.
Why haven't you noted it on the talk page? Or the Village Pump?
Moreover, which is your username? I can't find a Sebastián González on
Spanish Wikipedia, meta, or the local mailing list.
What's the situation, then? Can those things
be done, or does the law of
the
US apply to all projects regardless of users
liking it or not? Can wikis
in
non-english languajes be allowed to interpret and
write the legal
disclaimer
as they see fit, or should a version written or
supervised by the
foundation
be enforced?
Maybe you're trying to get a point to introduce fair use on eswiki?
"The servers are in USA, local law is not important" has always been an
argument for fair use, and "there is no fair use in {Spain, Venezuela,
Uruguay...}" against it.
Which is anyway not too relevant. That Spanish Wikipedia has to comply
with US laws isn't an excuse for not obeying the copyright laws of
Spain, Venezuela or Argentina, when relevant. *Specially* when you're on
those countries or a great number of your contributors are. Should we
encourage to disobey their local law?? Maybe on certain matters, on
totalitariam regimes... but copyright is not one of those cases.
Even more, the fact that hypothetically the WMF would win a fair use
case settled on the US, doesn't mean that it should try to force it or
that it would be able to support it. We should not even reach that
point. [4]
[[es:User:Platonides]] ~~~~
1-
http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Limitaci%C3%B3n_general…
2-http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ALimitaci%C3%B3n_gen…
3-http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Wrong_Version
4-http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2008-January/037170.htm…
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) solving the
copyright question.
Do we close the original disclaimer question that it is Wikipedia-edition
specific, and not a WMF document that should be the same in all languages,
or at least referred to as the official version?
- Bence Damokos