On 10/30/11 5:57 PM, Mateus Nobre wrote:
Do you really think a traditional (you know,
traditional in Wikipedia equivalent to bureaucratic) communication and social system,
friendship-free, at wikis reduces the efficiency? Why the friendship and camaraderie in
editions and talk should reduce the efficiency of quality? Why working in a pleasant
ambiete worse results. I think economists and business-men disagree with you.
For your e-mail I found that you are probably Russian. You probably have read Tolstoi,
Anna KarĂȘnina. Using a literary example, Lievin, the landowner, greatly increased his
profit by changing the method of work of his moujiks. The moujiks used to work in bad
taste and bad-tempered when just followind orders in a bad envronment. When Lievin adopted
a collaborative approach, when the moujiks could work without the several rules at a
amicable environment, profits rose.
For Wikis is the same thing. Only the ideals are not enough. We have to have a friendly,
a pleasant, a nice environment. We've to make the time of editions a good time to us.
We've to smile editing Wikipedia. And know our work is important to the community,
moral support. Wikilove make Wikipedia less a obligation and more a thing which we need
every single day. This is the point.
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MateusNobre
Efficiency has never been a part of Wikipedia's mission, but then,
neither has community-building. Collaborative communities build around
an objective, in our case to assemble an encyclopedia. The efficient
person, like Gogol's Chichikov, too easily roams the countryside
collecting dead souls. a good product constantly renews itself in a
cycle of thesis, antithesis and synthesis, and that's not efficient. Nor
can it be accomplished in a divided community..
Ray
> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 23:22:27 +0400
> From: putevod(a)mccme.ru
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove
>> When I spoke ''family'' I wanted to say we need a more likable
system of
>> communication. We need a real collaborative method, which not only fit for
>> the editions, but for the treatment of users too. We're a big family
>> working for a common objective: a world in which every single human being
>> can freely share in the sum of all knowledge.
>>
>> Why we treat ourselves like co-workes when we have so many things in
>> common? Why we have to be a firm when we could be friends who works
>> together for the common good? Why not reduce the unnecessary bureaucracy
>> among the editors communication with Wikilove? It's just a way to make the
>> Wikimedia projects friendly and really collaborative!
> Just because often it contradicts efficiency. Some people come here to
> make friends, other come to have the job done (some of them have an agenda,
> and others just want indeed to increase the sum of knowledge). For me
> personally, making friends sounds like opposite to efficiency, because I
> care about quality first. I see from the discussions that there are people
> like me. I also know there are many people unlike me, for whom the
> collaborative aspect is more important than the result. This is fine with
> me. I just do not want any universal decisions to be made under assumptions
> that we are all alike. We are not.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>