On 10/10/07, David Strauss <david(a)fourkitchens.com> wrote:
George Herbert wrote:
If you believe Egypt truly is significantly bad
for visiting LGBT
tourists, there should be ample evidence thereof available. In spite
of my friends' and aquaintences personal ancedotal safe trips, I went
looking for some evidence of risk when this thread started. I have
not found anything of the sort. There's more documented foreign
tourist gay bashing in San Francisco (fairly low actual rate, and
abhored by the local population as a whole, but there's a persistent
low-rate problem from homophobic fringeists) than I can find for
If you use official records, there's zero gay bashing in Iran. I
wouldn't consider Egypt's records on GLBT issues accurate, either.
That's the quandary with record-keeping. The places with the most
problems often have the worst records. Never mistake bad record keeping
with the absence of a problem.
Where did I mention official records?
I want you to point to western sources, *anything* that has actual
"this happened to someone in Egypt" statements that justify your claim
that there's a legit problem for LGBT visitors in Egypt.
There are myriad gay travel websites and blogs. As far as I can tell
they have no specific warnings about Egypt. A number of them report
on visits there... and nobody reports anything other than being a
little wary of the situation.
If there's a legit threat you should be able to point me to someone
out there in the west who has documented it. If there's a legit
threat, I would expect to have found it already.
I believe you (and the documented reports, and stuff I've heard about
and read about going back a number of years) about internal moderate
oppression of LGBT in Egypt.
I do not believe you, *because you have provided zero documentation
and I have found none elsewhere in my searches*, that Egypt's
government or law enforcement present a general or specific threat to
health and safety of LGBT visitors.
-george william herbert