The code of conduct is not a law. People who are harassers are criminals and not above the law. Sexual harassment is a serious offense. Any kind of harrasment is an offense. Wikipedia s administrators are not the law and not above the law. Wikipedia is not above the law. People who seek help should be appointed to the right specialized authorities as the police and not discouraged to do so.
Safety team from my experience, will not help any wikipedian/victim who with report a harrasment case. They are just another department of wikimedia foundation.
Any people is important and count. Please take what ever actions you think is necessary.
I believe you.
Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 7:39 π.μ. ο χρήστης Robert Myers < robert.myers@wikimedia.org.au> έγραψε:
And there the problem lies, going to local authorities (police) isn’t going to be useful. Some authorities require the alleged crime to be committed in their jurisdiction, which can be limited, anonymous nature of the person who committed the alleged crime makes it difficult to identify the individual(s), with it servers hosted outside the jurisdiction make it harder to investigate. Also I have seen in the past, WP:LEGAL used against those who have reported threats of physical violence or harassment (physical stalking) to law enforcement.
I do think there needs to be a off-wiki complaint process for serious allegations, since on-wiki processes can be inappropriate and acts as a chilling effect (since it is very open and public) on the victim(s). The same situation can occur for alleged perpetrator(s), where the allegation(s) are false or vexatious and malicious grievances.
Maybe the Universal Code of Conduct might address this issue, it might not as well.
-- Robert Myers robert.myers@wikimedia.org.au http://www.wikimedia.org.au
On 24 Aug 2020, at 1:37 pm, Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής <
anonymuswikipedian@gmail.com> wrote:
If you ve been sexually harassed in wikipedia this is not a matter to be solved on a mailing list or by Safety team. Go to you local authorities
and
report it. This is a very serious matter to just become an essay for someone or belive that it can be solved by administrators or safety team. Safety team in my harassment case told me to "politely" ask my harrasers
to
stop harassing me. Please don t relay on them for such a serious matter! Please be safe and I m sure you can seek help by trained and serious
people
by your local authorities. I wish someone could told me that in my case then and not point me to safety team. They will not help you.
Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 3:41 π.μ. ο χρήστης Gnangarra <
gnangarra@gmail.com>
έγραψε:
If someone feels harassed then a public noticeboard is the last place to send them for help, that is an absolute failure of the community to understand that the act of reporting is also doubling down on the harm. Doing so publicly is indicating to the person committing the harassment that they have succeeded in causing harm.
This folks is the very reason why we fail to retain editors and breach
the
imbalance of editors and continue have trouble with bias. Everyone
speaks
english but the cultural nuances of the language vary greatly with words having multiple meanings and being used specifically to cause offense.
The word cutie has its meanings;
- of being nice looking when talking about kids and animals
but once its used referring to an adult as part of a discussion its
changes
to that of them being;
- of being an arsehole
- of being picky
- and of having sexual connotations ranging from you are fuckable, to
your sexual orientation.
When these complaints get to something like AN/I those cultural and linguistic nuances get dismissed and the person using them has gained a
lot
of power, self satisfaction, and endorsement of their harassment as
being
ok, with a bonus that other users are now also enabled to harass the complaining editor knowing full well that AN/I will do nothing.
The bottom line is if a person feels harassed they have been harassed, whether we understand the depth of why they feel harassed is not
relevant
but that should not be a barrier to prevent further harassment.
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 06:21, Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello Chris,
This isn't a terribly bad advise, AFAICS.
Harassments are treated on a case-by-case basis.
So, if this is something you aren't comfortable discussing publicly,
you
could email the Functionary team or ArbCom or similar body in that community.
If it's something that should be removed from public view, you could contact the oversight team.
I can't see the contents of the harassment, so I can only speak based
on
general principle.
Regards
Isaac
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 23:07 Chris Sherlock, <chris.sherlock79@gmail.com
wrote:
To be clear, this is what I was advised:
“ Harassment concerns can be reviewed under the appropriate community process. I would therefore advise you to report the edit summary to
the
appropriate channels on the wiki it occured. If this happened on
English
Wikipedia, this would be the Administrator's board for incidents. I hope the above is helpful.”
Chris
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Aug 2020, at 6:43 am, Chris Sherlock <
chris.sherlock79@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello all,
I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about
being
sexually harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no
private
mechanisms to report this sort of thing.
Is this for real?
Chris Sherlock
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