On 10/9/07, Dan Rosenthal <swatjester(a)gmail.com>
In 1997 some 52 honor killings were reported in Egypt. The actual
figures in all of the countries I've cited are probably much higher
because most honor killings go unreported.
Yes, well, there were also 69 murders and 156 rapes in the city of San
Francisco alone last year , where the WMF is moving to soon; yet the fact
that many of these killings are racially and sexually motivated and many of
the rapes are intensely brutal has not led to calls that the WMF stay away
from the big bad city here for moral reasons. My point: having liberal 
western values does not directly translate into more safety for the resident
or casual visitor; I haven't seen statistics about crime for visitors in
I've stated that we have a duty to concern ourselves with more than our
own safety. Are you disputing this?
Your arguments rely on utilitarianism, yet I'm certain you would reject
a society with maximal persecution of the few and minimal crime overall.