Hello,
I agree with Mike's viewpoint: the report seems to be prewritten, and not based on actual discussions about the forum. Nevertheless, even if the summary was good, which is doubtful, the data presented in the discussion (https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/ms-forum-community-review-report/1436/6) is confusing, and I would like to have a clarification. First of all, the axis isn't to scale, you are presenting three different monthly usages in percent but some of them are not adding 100%. I think I'm missing something in these graphs, because they should add up. Furthermore, presenting it as a percent makes the things confusing: there's actually more than 10x people participating in Meta, but the graph doesn't suggest this. The only world region where it seems to be more interactions via Forum than via Meta is in Sub-saharan Africa. But this is a percent, not a grand total. Around 12,5% of the Meta Users are from this region and around 22,5% of the Forum users. But 12,5% of the Meta users is 575 users, and 22,5% of MS forums is 33 people. Is to say, there are more than 17 times more users from Sub-saharan Africa using Meta than MS Forums. The graph is misleading also in this point, not only in the percent not adding up.

Then there are some interesting points about engagement. Is clearly going down. Is there any reflection on this? We don't have data on Meta engagement, so a comparison is difficult, but the data provided to defend that this forum is thriving is just saying the opposite.

If possible, I would like to have some clarifications on this data.

Thanks

Galder

From: Mike Peel <email@mikepeel.net>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2022 7:56 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Invitation to join the Movement Strategy Forum
 
Hi,

With respect, I think you have a big selection effect in your report. I
guess you're getting most of your positive comments directly on your new
forum, and you're matching them against your initial viewpoint, rather
than being unbiased?

If you look at comments on-wiki, they seem to be quite negative, e.g.,
have a look through discussions at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Strategy/Forum/Proposal
and:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#new_resource_for_movement_discussions.

I strongly suggest running a Meta RfC about the existence of this forum,
following standard community processes, and then decide on its future:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment

Thanks,
Mike

On 18/8/22 17:00:36, Quim Gil wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> The Movement Strategy Forum <https://forum.movement-strategy.org/>(MS
> Forum) is a multilingual collaborative space for all conversations about
> Movement Strategy implementation. We are inviting all Movement
> participants to collaborate on the MS Forum. The goal of the forum is to
> build community collaboration using an inclusive multilingual platform.
>
>
> The Movement Strategy
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Movement_Strategy>is
> a collaborative effort to imagine and build the future of the Wikimedia
> Movement. Anyone can contribute to the Movement Strategy, from a comment
> to a full-time project.
>
>
> Join this forum with your Wikimedia account, engage in conversations,
> and ask questions in your language.
>
>
> The Movement Strategy and Governance team (MSG) launched the proposal
> for this MS Forum in May. After a 2-month review period, we have just
> published theCommunity Review Report
> <https://forum.movement-strategy.org/t/ms-forum-community-review-report/1436>. It
> includes a summary of the discussions, metrics, and information about
> the next steps.
>
>
> We look forward to seeing you at the MS Forum!
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> --
> Quim Gil (he/him)
> Director of Movement Strategy & Governance @ Wikimedia Foundation
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Qgil-WMF
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Qgil-WMF>
>
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