Hello,
At the moment I am working on a document that extensively explains how
we work on the Klexikon. If someone is interested, please send me a
private message. The document is not really public yet. :-)
Kind regards
Ziko
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon
Am Mi., 22. Juni 2022 um 19:27 Uhr schrieb Mathias Damour
<mathias.damour(a)gmx.fr>fr>:
>
> Hi,
>
> De: "Neurodivergent Netizen" <idoh.idreamofhorses(a)gmail.com>
> I think a particular hurdle for a standalone WMF-affiliated kidipedia project is the
COPPA, and other similar laws both in the US and elsewhere that could potentially increase
civil liability. Another hurdle is that America is very aware, perhaps overly aware, of
the potential safety risks when children are involved in websites. Then you add in the
fact that kids are likely to continue editing Wikipedia instead of Kidipedia, and it’s not
worth the extra effort. This effort would include hiring/reassigning staff so you can
have a team of people for just Kidipedia, along with the background checks and identity
verification needed. None of that are obstacles that aren’t in the way of kids editing the
existing projects.
>
> I predict a WMF-affiliated kidipedia would largely be abandoned quite quickly.
>
> You are probably right. I would say COPPA may not be the biggest hurdle, yet the
british "UK Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006" is another one, and
moreover the fact that "America is very aware, perhaps overly aware, of the potential
safety risks when children are involved in websites" (and I would also say that
"America" weight more the right of parents to control what is taught to their
children and less the right of the children to inform themselves - the latter being upheld
by the Convention on the Rights of the Child, which the US didn't ratificate -
compared to other countries).
> We reviewed it on
https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Legal_matters
>
> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings the risk of
being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons and unsuccessfully, whereas it
never happened to Vikidia in 15 years (and very few kind of bad buzz like "look what
they teach to the children").
>
> You tell about "hiring/reassigning staff so you can have a team of people for
just Kidipedia", well, that's quite exactly the point I adressed on this blog
post :
> Vikidia, l’anti-professionnalisation
>
https://www.wikimedia.fr/vikidia-lanti-professionnalisation/
> ...to tell that the vision of children needing to be only alongside their closed
family and professionals workers - and that it should be the same if a wiki for children
is set (that we would need professionnal educators either to write the articles, to design
the project or to manage the community or all that together) - did cause much delay to the
wiki encyclopedias for children, and how we do otherwise on Vikidia.
>
> Reminder, the Wikikids project was developped on this page and subpages :
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids
>
> Envoyé: mercredi 22 juin 2022 à 12:37
> De: "Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga" <galder158(a)hotmail.com>
> À: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Objet: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia
> From our experience, is just the opposite: Wikipedia is not asking any extra step nor
age confirmation, and legally you can have an account even if you are underage. Children
are consulting Wikipedia without limits, and they can find adult content easily. We
don't have any advice about that, nor filters at Commons, where you can find even porn
using words that were not intended for that. The place is open, and we have massive visits
from children, so providing them a better place, thought for them (as our strategic
direction says) is better that not providing at all.
>
> I can only agree!
>
>
> Mathias Damour
> [[User:Astirmays]]
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