On 5/2/06, Anthony DiPierro wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
I think there's a big difference here between (most) images and (most) text.
I don't. Man, this discussion stuff is easy! I don't even have to think.
As Erik pointed out, for instance, a document which cannot legally be translated is not a free document. But translation doesn't apply to most images.
Well I've translated a few images from Dewiki, but translation isn't the only valid alteration of an image. Derrived works are made frequently of free images on english wikipedia. If you'd like I can send you dozens of examples off list.
The same applies, although to a lesser extent, for short quotes, which is the other place fair use is generally used.
FWIW, I think the English Wikipedia should allow ND images as much as it should allow "fair use images". That is, much less than fair use is currently used, but still sometimes, when there is no other choice.
You've argued this before... Yet you haven't presented a situation where we'd get "ND images or no other choice". All I've ever seen on this front is the example of fat-ego photographers who want to pretend to contribute to Wikipedia while simultaniously damaging the freedom of the content that defines the project... and even in these cases, we're not in a position where no other image is possible.