Mmm... let's read again our Strategic direction...

By 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be able to join us.

We, the Wikimedia contributors, communities, and organizations, will advance our world by collecting knowledge that fully represents human diversity, and by building the services and structures that enable others to do the same.

We will carry on our mission of developing content as we have done in the past, and we will go further.


Yes, having a physics simulation, a calculator, showing how the satellites of Jupiter are arranged now... are, by definition, part or the "ecosystem of free knowledge" in the same way images are. We currently add images to Commons and we don't say: you have a link here if you want to see that image. We also add texts and we don't say "just read a book, lol". Having rich media is part of the ecosystem of free knowledge, and we should be "building the services and structures" to share it. We also should be developing content "further". Is not that I think we should do that: is that we have decided to do that.

Also, the Medium Term Plan, that is currently active, says about "Platform evolution" this https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019/Platform_evolutionšŸ™‚

"support for the integration and discoverability of rich content including video, audio, and interactive media, as well as the infrastructure to serve it with high performance, high redundancy, and low latency to all parts of the world."

So yes, it should be part of the plan, and currently there's no way to achieve it.

Best,

Galder
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You put in a URL that links to one. And there, you're done.

Having a "howto" gadget like that is not the purpose of an article. The purpose of an article is to describe, not have a "simulator". A URL to one on some other site in the external links section might be quite in order, but that is out of scope for Wikipedia itself.

We should never try to be everything to everyone. We have a clear and defined scope, and we should stick to it.

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 11:57 AM Galder Gonzalez LarraƱaga <galder158@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Don't assume that just because you can't do something it's impossible or even particularly hard. "

I don't assume it, just we can't do it: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169027 or https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T238259


If you know a way to do this kind of interactive content in any given wiki, we could go forward fast.
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Pe marți, 26 octombrie 2021, Galder Gonzalez LarraƱaga <galder158@hotmail.com> a scris:
> Anders: we can't add a physics simulator.

We totally can. It takes programming knowledge and a technical administrator, but it's possible.

Don't assume that just because you can't do something it's impossible or even particularly hard. What's nearly impossible is to scale such initiatives in a meaningful manner (I.e. over 250+ languages).

Strainu

(https://www.physicsclassroom.com/Physics-Interactives/Newtons-Laws). This is not "info wars", this is being useful. And we can't do it because... well, because we are... obsolete.
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> ________________________________
> From: Anders Wennersten <mail@anderswennersten.se>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 6:02 PM
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>  
>
> We have an army of volunteers to guarantee correctness and that issues of controversies are dealt with in a way that hopefully all parties can accept
>
> we have no cookies or technical things that make us follow up on our editors, truly believing in the full integrity of our users
>
> our financial and governing set up is fully independent of an third party
>
> Our reading interface works well for our users and on most platforms (which is made easier with no technical smarties)
>
> Our interface can be made better for editors, but this does not make it as a phenomenon obsolete
>
> In the info war we are in, it is beer to be on the "boring" side with few or none smart gadgets then being too smart and open for foul play by parties that want to undermine our system by clever hackers
>
> Anders
>
> Den 2021-10-26 kl. 17:37, skrev Galder Gonzalez LarraƱaga:
>
> Thanks Anders,
> "We are the opposite to obsolete" is a good sentence, because this would imply that our platform is the bow of an icebreaker. But we still, in 2021, can't do this things (you can help by expanding this list):
>
> Simultaneous edition
> Auto-save in sandbox
> Publishing from sandbox
> Upload MP4 files
> Render correctly vectorial files
> Embed our own Wikidata query results in our own projects
> Have a modern look
> Have cross-project templates and modules
> Visual edit from mobile
> Create visually interesting cartography
> Hear the articles
> Export multiple articles as a pdf/doc (whatever)
> ...
> ........
>
> Someone will answer to this message talking about the "Wishlist survey" every year we have. This scarcity generating system also gives funny outcomes. Let's take the 2019 survey. 10 projects were voted. Only 4 done: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results. Or the 2017 one: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2017/Results. Some projects where done, some not and there are some that are external tools that you have to use as a gadget.
>
> Students are relying on YouTube to learn things. We are obsolete. Very obsolete.
> Galder
>
>
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> From: Anders Wennersten <mail@anderswennersten.se>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 5:23 PM
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>  
> "We will have more and more and more millions, but we will still...
> yes... obsolete." Galder
>
>
> What phenomenon do you see challenge Wikipedias role as a source for
> common knowledge, an encyklopedia for everyone?
>
> I see that for the last 20 years no successful commercial encyclopedia
> has been launched.
>
> I see how the social media have a hard time to be a platform for common
> knowledge and hard pressed to employ armies of moderators. And Google
> very happy to lean and steal from Wikipedia rather the do something
> similar themself (which would go down badly in the public)
>
> But the war of information is a reality and heating up. We can be very
> glad that so far we have not been a target of all angriness of what is
> to be seen as the "correct" information. But that could change, what if
> a new administration in US want to control what is written in Wikipedia.
> Or China want to set up a parallel in English as the have now in
> Chinese. If these thing happen we need to have resources to fight off
> these type a of challenges, not only for our own sake but for he people
> in the world who is used to turn to Wikipedia for basic facts.
>
> We are the opposite to obsolete, we are in the front seat and driving
> for correct facts in the emerging information war we now see
>
> Anders
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