Hey Paulo
I imagine many of the board are following this. I am fairly easy to get a
hold of with the "email this user" attached to my user pages. And you can
always leave me a note on Wikipedia itself
Maria Sefidari and Nataliia Tymkiv are the two WMF board members who
directly oversee Affcom's work. We also have the Wikimedia Foundation Board
noticeboard
Affcom sends the board a detailed overview of their work each month. I am
not aware of the specifics of your case but will ask for further details.
Best
James
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:08 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tomasz,
Thank you very much for the information. It is quite unexpected that the
Board of Trustees can't be officially reached in any way, and we have to
try to find our way individually to one and each of the trustees, until one
of them accepts the hot potato in their hands (or not).
I wonder how all this got to this point.
Regards,
Paulo
Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia segunda, 6/05/2019
à(s)
17:01:
As far as I know there is no single E-mail
address you can contact Board,
but you can try to catch directly any members of the Board who are still
brave enough to provide their personal E-mail... This is not that
straightforward as you may expect, but first go here:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/role/board/
than click on any face you may find especially friendly, and then in some
cases (not in all) by clicking links in their description, with some good
luck you may land on the page, where there is some contact information
:-)
Or - much simpler: forget rather useless official WMF website, which is
tailored rather to impress than to provide any information, and go to
meta:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees
where you can find link to meta-userpages of them and then you can
contact
them as usually on wiki.
Good luck,
pon., 6 maj 2019 o 17:09 Paulo Santos Perneta <paulosperneta(a)gmail.com>
napisał(a):
> Hello Tomasz,
>
> Thank you for your answer. In the hypothesis of being the Board, how
can
> one contact it? I do not see any address I
could use listed here:
>
https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/contact/
>
> I hope at least some of them are reading this mailing list. They can
get
back to
me, in public or private, and I'll send the case for
investigation.
Regards,
Paulo
Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia segunda, 6/05/2019
à(s)
15:57:
> It seems that the only body can help with this is WMF Board od
Trustees,
> as
> > Affcom is the advisory committee of the Board, and the Board is the
top
> > body legally responsible for the work
of entire WMF.
> >
> > pon., 6 maj 2019 o 15:39 Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta(a)gmail.com
>
> > napisał(a):
> >
> > > Hi Cornelius,
> > >
> > > Apart from the general discussion about the specific role of
AffCom,
I
> > > really would like to know who is the entity overseeing the AFfCom,
so
>
that
> > I can send an official complaint there about what I believe is a
> fraudulent
> > and out of process sanction. This is not a question for the Roles &
> > Responsibilities WG, as The Land has already noted there.
> >
> > Since AffCom is an advisory body to the BoT, it doesn't look as if
the
> > BoT
> > > can or should interfere directly on AffCom. But then, who? At the
> current
> > > light, AffCom is looking as a very much unchecked and extremely
> powerful
> > > entity, taking decisions out of process, in absolute secrecy, and
> issuing
> > > decrees without following even the most basic principles of due
> process.
> > > And this is not a theoretical question, it is a practical one. It
> affects
> > > directly not only affiliates, but also members of the community not
> > > connected to any affiliate, as I had not any connection to any of
the
> >
affiliates involved in that case.
> >
> > And this is not an isolated case. As I told, the accusations made
last
> year
> > by AffCom against WMPT never were substantiated, and when a lawyer
> finally
> > looked into them, he come out with exactly the same recommendation
and
>
request the chapter made itself to the AffCom, before the whole
situation
> > even started. So what was behind those accusations, back then?
> >
> > It is very easy and comfortable for the WMF/AffCom to blind
everything
> > with
> > > the excuse that the evidence is secret, but that is completely out
of
> > > process, and against the most
elementary principles of Human
Rights.
> > >
> > > I want to know who planted this false information at the WMF, and
why
it
> > was not checked by the WMF, to the point that a secret sanction
aganitt
> > me
> > > come to be in place (since when? till when? no idea).
> > >
> > > To who should I complaint about this?
> > >
> > > Paulo
> > >
> > > Cornelius Kibelka <cornelius.kibelka(a)wikimedia.de> escreveu no dia
> > > segunda,
> > > 6/05/2019 à(s) 14:14:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I think these are good and relevant questions, but I'd suggest
you
> keep
> > > the
> > > > discussion where it's best placed – on the talk page of the
Roles &
> > Responsibility scoping document talk page:
> >
> >
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/20…
> > > >
> > > > Paulo has already started a discussion over there. Kirill, it
would
be
> > > great if you could add your opinion and experience there as well.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Cornelius
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 6 May 2019 at 15:11, Kiril Simeonovski <
> > > kiril.simeonovski(a)gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > P.S. I would also like to add the other committees in the
movement
> such
> > > > like the grantmaking committees. My first go would be the Board
of
> > > > Trustees
> > > > > but it is better to see if someone who knows exactly can
provide
more
> > > > details.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Kiril
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 3:03 PM Kiril Simeonovski <
> > > > kiril.simeonovski(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Paulo,
> > > > >
> > > > > This is an excellent question. I am curious to find out that
too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Kiril
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:13 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > > > > paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Actually, I'm not familiar with this specific situation
as
well,
> > > apart
> > > > > >> from
> > > > > >> having been informed by my affiliate that WMF had
informed
it
I
> > was
> > > > > under
> > > > > >> some sanction that probably I was unaware of, related
to
> > affiliates
> > > I
> > > > > was
> > > > > >> not part of and episotes I do not took part.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> This is an outraging, appalling and unbelievable
behavior
from
> the
> > > > > >> Wikimedia Foundation in general, and AffCom in
particular. I
> > really
> > > > > would
> > > > > >> like to get to the bottom of this, and more than have
it
> > reverted, I
> > > > > >> actually want to know who planted the false information
about
me
> > > there
> > > > > >> which led to this situation.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I hope there is some way to effectively and officially
demand
and
> > > internal
> > > >> inquiry inside the Wikimedia Foundation over this situation.
> > > >>
> > > >> Best,
> > > >> Paulo
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Benjamin Ikuta <benjaminikuta(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia
segunda,
> > > >> 6/05/2019
> > > >> à(s) 10:20:
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm not familiar with this specific situation, but I
agree
that
> more
> > > >> > transparency and accountability would be good.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On May 6, 2019, at 12:40 AM, Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > > >> paulosperneta(a)gmail.com>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Hello,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > A few days ago the Wikimedia affiliate I belong to was
> officially
> > > >> > informed,
> > > >> > > by a WMF source, that I'm being subject to a until
now
unknown
> > > >> sanction,
> > > >> > > with an accusation from AffCom I can only describe as
baseless
> and
> > > >> > > fraudulent, relating to a a situation between two
affiliates,
> > > dealt
> > > > >> with
> > > > >> > by
> > > > >> > > AffCom more than one year ago, of which I was
never part
of,
> > > > > occurred
> > > > > >> > more
> > > > > >> > > than one year ago. I was never informed of
this.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > This is not the first time AffCom engages in
this sort
of
> > > > appalling
> > > > > >> > > behavior. As far as I know, WMPT is still
waiting for
the
> > > > > accusations
> > > > > >> > made
> > > > > >> > > by AffCom last year, which led to its
suspension, to be
> > > > > substantiated.
> > > > > >> > > AffCom never substantiated anything related
to that,
with
the
> > > excuse
> > > > >> of a
> > > > >> > > need for secrecy.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > How, I ask you all as members of the Movement, how
come
the
> > > > Wikimedia
> > > > >> > > Movement allowed for such a secretive, arbitrary,
apparently
> > > > unchecked
> > > > >> > and
> > > > >> > > very much powerful institution to grow and thrive
like
this
> in
> > > its
> > > > > >> > middle,
> > > > > >> > > overseeing and effectively controlling the
relation of
all
of
> us
> > > > (both
> > > > >> > > affiliates and individuals) and the WMF?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > More important than that, what can be done about
this?
Where
one
> > can
> > > >> > appeal
> > > >> > > to, when presented with such fraudulent, baseless,
secretive,
> > > > >> > > unsubstantiated accusations by a body which was
supposed
to
be
> > above
> > > >> all
> > > >> > > suspicion?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Can an internal inquiry be demanded somewhere at the
Wikimedia
> > > > >> Foundation
> > > > >> > > over the activities and decisions of AffCom, in
the same
way
> we
> > do
> > > > >> with
> > > > >> > > suspicious activity by checkusers and supervisors,
with
the
> > > > Ombudsman
> > > > >> > > Commission?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Looking forward for any help and insight on this,
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Paulo - DarwIn
> > > > >> > > Wikimedia Portugal
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