On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 02:01, Mike Peel <email@mikepeel.net> wrote:

So ... you're not involving https://meta.wikimedia.org/ in this project?

Thanks,
Mike

On 22/12/21 16:43:17, Florence Devouard wrote:
> Hello Jorge
>
>
> I really appreciate you took the time to send a public update before the
> holiday season, as well as the private email with additional food for
> thought. On Monday afternoon, I was gloomingly watching the mailing list
> and thinking "still nothing in there". So I really appreciate the feedback.
>
> I'll get back to you in January on a couple of points that I think
> deserve clarification. Before or after the diff depending.
>
> In the meanwhile, please enjoy the break.
>
> Florence
>
>
> PS: by the way... I fully agree with Sj... it is a good idea to actually
> discuss with partners to agree in advance on how respective brands will
> be used. And to actually *require* that our brand not be used in certain
> circonstances (such as in association with other brands) without prior
> agreement.
>
> For those who forgot about this page :
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Trademark_policy
>
> It reminds to all partners (which really ought to be, not only
> individuals, loose groups, and wikimedia affiliates, BUT ALSO big
> partners), what is automatically allowed, what requires notification,
> and what requires authorization.
>
> Obviously, it is a big complicated to get a trademark policy with
> details about what not to do (such as associating Wikimedia name with
> Meta in a press release). This would be too detailed.
> But if the trademark policy had been properly applied, it would have
> required a legal review of the full project terms of agreement. And the
> project terms of agreement could have included a provision regarding
> communication does and don't and prevented our brand to be used in such
> a unthoughtful manner.
>
>
>
> Le 21/12/2021 à 19:24, Jorge Vargas a écrit :
>> Dear Florence,
>>
>> As promised, wanted to make sure we circled back before the holiday
>> break after getting more information. Per my last communication, I
>> want to reiterate we are indeed working on a project that is framed
>> under a larger collaboration being discussed with the Africa Union.
>> This collaboration was not initiated or directed specifically with
>> Africa No Filter, which was only involved by the African Union as part
>> of the process. Along the way, Africa No Filter has shown more
>> interest in playing a more active role in the project, which we're
>> still currently discussing if and how they partake. So far, our main
>> focus has been identifying ways to work with the Africa Union to plug
>> them into ongoing and future priorities and initiatives in the region,
>> with this project being the first step towards that.
>>
>> Due to some WMF staff absences and a few logistical mishaps, we were
>> not in a good position to fully coordinate on Africa No Filter’s
>> announcement, which went live without final confirmation from them.
>> That was not our intention, and we regret if this caught you or anyone
>> else off guard. The goal remains to finalize a Diff post that will
>> share the details of the project and was meant to be posted prior to
>> any other announcements. In the interest of allowing everyone their
>> holiday rest (and because this project is not really yet in motion),
>> we will be communicating more about it in January 2022 in a Diff post
>> and other channels. We also want to reiterate that this partnership
>> has absolutely nothing to do with Meta or the Hewlett Foundation, and
>> although we would have preferred not to be grouped together in a
>> single announcement, we can't control the way a third party decides to
>> share their information.
>>
>> Our work with the Africa Union has started in 2021 as part of the work
>> the Foundation has done to listen to local initiatives, identify ways
>> to engage, and support existing priorities in the region. Recognizing
>> we can always do better, our teams are plugged into the field as much
>> as possible, hearing needs and identifying synergies to what the
>> movement is prioritizing locally. We strongly believe this project is
>> aligned and follows the line of other projects we've been supporting
>> in the region. This or any other project is also not coming from staff
>> or stakeholders outside of Africa, and it's our critical intention
>> that relevant work for the region and our movement there is led and
>> supported regionally. We can also assure you that the project will
>> continue to have plenty of room for feedback and discussion, as it's
>> meant to be implemented within the movement priorities in 2022. We
>> expect to have those interested partake and get involved!
>>
>> Your email does flag something relevant that we take to heart, which
>> is how we can find ways to make sure relevant stakeholders locally can
>> have better participation and due diligence earlier in these
>> processes. Our intention will never be to create competing priorities,
>> yet we don't think it's also feasible to consult each and every
>> opportunity at hand, creating even extra work for volunteers. We
>> believe there's a delicate balance, and the Foundation continues to do
>> its best to find the best ways to reach. We take this opportunity as a
>> learning on how more expansive and trust-building forums can be
>> created while balancing volunteer requests, as we continue to
>> regionalize and localize our work as much as possible as mandated by
>> Movement Strategy.
>>
>> We look forward to sharing more about this project in January 2022,
>> and to more opportunities for dialogue in the new year. I wish you a
>> restful and lovely break, in hopes the new year brings us more spaces
>> to share and build together.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Jorge
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:58 AM Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> HI Jorge
>>
>> I find it disturbing that you dont have a detailed answer even
>> now, and that the WMF would agree to partnerships which dont
>> respect the community its the community who has built and maintain
>> the credibility of the projects.
>>
>> While its nice to see high level efforts from the WMF extreme care
>> should be being taken in who we partner with and how they present
>> the relationship. I find it troubling that a partner can make an
>> announcement and include a third party, especially when that
>> third party has a long history for data collection, private data
>> resale, supporting fake news, and violating copyright.
>>
>> Knowing this how robust are the data privacy exchanges what
>> security is in place between the WMF and ANf & AU given that they
>> are working with such a concerning third party and see the two as
>> intertwined the "jumping of the gun" and link that third both very
>> little respect for us
>>
>> Regards
>> Gnangarra
>>
>> On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 at 03:39, Yael Weissburg
>> <rweissburg@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, Jorge, for this thoughtful and clear response.
>>
>> Florence, Xavier, and others: I know there's often good reason
>> to message Wikimedia-l, and also to let you know that you can
>> always reach the WMF Partnerships team at
>> partnerships@wikimedia.org and on our Meta page
>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Partnerships_team> if
>> you want to engage with us directly!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Yael
>>
>> --
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>> Wikimedia Foundation
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>> M: +1.415.513.6643
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:28 AM Jorge Vargas
>> <jvargas@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Florence,
>>
>> Thanks for your email. We wanted to acknowledge receipt
>> and say that we're working on a more detailed answer about
>> the partnership with Africa No Filter (ANF) and the Africa
>> Union (AU), and to some of the higher-level points you've
>> raised around our general approach to this work.
>>
>> We're gathering all the right information to make sure we
>> can offer a comprehensive answer, but in short, to your
>> first question, the collaboration between WMF and ANF
>> described in the announcement, is led by the Foundation's
>> Partnerships and Community Programs teams and will be
>> implemented in collaboration with Wikimedia communities.
>> This collaboration sits under a larger ongoing
>> relationship with the African Union, who were actually the
>> ones who first connected us to ANF. We broadly introduced
>> the project during this specific session [1] at
>> WikiIndaba, and have a comprehensive Diff post coming up
>> soon with more information about this project's goals and
>> how it connects with existing movement priorities, which
>> we are happy to forward to this thread when it’s live.
>> Unfortunately, ANF went slightly earlier on what was going
>> to be a joint announcement, and we're talking with them on
>> how this came about.
>>
>> To be clear, we are not partnering on this project with
>> Meta; we are partnering solely with ANF and the Africa
>> Union, within their 2063 Agenda strategy [2] for the
>> region. We have no involvement in the separate partnership
>> that ANF announced with Meta in the same announcement.
>>
>> We read your email as elevating some larger concerns we
>> want to make sure are heard, for us all to have a good
>> faith and important dialogue on how we inform,
>> collaborate, and work with the Movement in
>> partnership-related activity. Our intention is never to
>> create overlapping/conflictive work with the ones in the
>> Movement, but rather add value and collaborate, as we
>> believe we are doing in this case.
>>
>> We will be providing an answer soon with more details.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jorge Vargas
>> Director of Regional Partnerships
>>
>> [1]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiIndaba_conference_2021/Program/The_future_of_knowledge_creation_in_Africa_through_partnerships
>> [2] https://au.int/en/agenda2063/overview
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:36 AM F. Xavier Dengra i Grau
>> via Wikimedia-l <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thank you for raising up this topic in the list,
>> Florence. I fully agree with you in all your points
>> and find it of great concern, especially regarding
>> accountability of the WMF towards the community. But
>> also because its increasing agreements and decisions
>> that are not thoroughly reviewed or shared before a
>> long way (i.e. money, hiring and staffing time
>> expenditure) has already been done.
>>
>> This matter can be linked a lot with the long debate
>> that Galder (user Theklan) had here about a month and
>> a half ago on the disappointing WMF tech support,
>> while we see big efforts on content that disrupt the
>> decentralized role of communities and that, in this
>> precise case, they seem to be even very unequally
>> communicated.
>>
>> I am looking forward to read more on this in case
>> someone is aware of what's going on. It does not look
>> any good so far, especially for the silence on "our"
>> side (as what WMF does has an impact in the discursive
>> trustworthiness of all volunteers) and because in that
>> newsletter it is being mentioned as a project side to
>> side with Facebook.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Xavier Dengra
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> El dimecres, 8 de desembre 2021 a les 4:51 PM,
>> Florence Devouard <fdevouard@gmail.com> va escriure:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>>
>>> Got that in my mailbox today.
>>> I had known that for a few days because it had been
>>> displayed on ANF website and been the object of an
>>> ANF previous email a few days ago about a partnership
>>> between Wikimedia Foundation / ANF / African Union to
>>> fix the gap related to African representation. So it
>>> is not really a surprise to ME, but...
>>>
>>> On one hand, it is a good news to see the big
>>> organisations get involved.
>>>
>>> On the other hand... there are a few points bugging
>>> me and I wanted to share just that.
>>>
>>>
>>> ANF has been announcing those partnerships for
>>> several days on their networks.
>>> But from WMF... I see a complete silence. No
>>> announcement in the lists, nor in the grant space,
>>> nor on diff, nor to the affiliates impacted by this
>>> announcement;
>>> Nothing. No mention of an Africa Knowledge Initiative
>>> on meta either. Nothing at all.
>>>
>>> The total silence from WMF raises questions and
>>> concerns in my mind. Such as :
>>>
>>> 1) Is that partnership real and known from the
>>> Wikimedia Foundation ?
>>>
>>> 2) If it is, why is Wikimedia Foundation not
>>> informing the community about what seems to be a
>>> significant partnership ?
>>> Is it that in truth no one at WMF cares about this
>>> partnership ? Or is it by fear of community reaction
>>> ? Or is it a wish to not have local groups involved
>>> at all ?
>>> 3) What's the role of the Wikimedia Foundation in
>>> that partnership ?
>>> Is it just allowing ANF to use the Wikipedia brand ?
>>> Is Wikimedia Foundation providing a grant to ANF ? Is
>>> Wikimedia Foundation providing staff time to ANF ? Is
>>> Wikimedia Foundation offering volunteer time from the
>>> communities or facilitating recruitement of cheap
>>> labour ? Is Wikimedia Foundation planning to provide
>>> networking support in connecting ANF to the
>>> communities and usergroups ?
>>>
>>> What is WMF role in this ?
>>>
>>> 4) When Usergroup Affiliates are approved, a thorough
>>> review of their request is made to avoid any
>>> situation of overlapping activities with the other
>>> usergroups. And once approved, there is a concern
>>> that they have to coordinate and inform about
>>> overlapping activities.
>>> Clearly, the WMF is here officially supporting a
>>> collection of initiatives that will overlap with
>>> already existing activities and could impact existing
>>> usergroups. However, WMF did not inquire of existing
>>> groups opinion on such a partnership, nor did it
>>> actually sought to simply inform them. Did WMF tried
>>> to involve the impacted parties ?
>>>
>>> In short, in a spirit of collaboration and shared
>>> mission... would not that be expected that impacted
>>> communities be informed/polled/or even involved ?
>>>
>>> 5) In the past few months, I have seen WMF staff
>>> increasingly get directly involved into Content
>>> Projects. It seems that WMF staff who once where busy
>>> developing tools to support the communities, are now
>>> rather spending time creating, leading or
>>> facilitating content projects. I suppose there are
>>> benefits to doing that. And do not misunderstand me,
>>> I appreciate every staff member involved in such
>>> effort and recognise their skills.
>>> But when WMF staff move from support function to
>>> Content Projects leadership, it also can have
>>> detrimental consequences in our ecosystem, such as
>>> inequity in resources access between projects
>>> organized by WMF and projects organized by community
>>> members (*). It can have detrimental consequences in
>>> decreasing the opportunities for community members to
>>> take on leadership roles. It can have detrimental
>>> consequences in making WMF appear like a content
>>> producer.
>>>
>>> My question would be... is this shift in WMF staff
>>> activities ... simply due to the lack of leadership
>>> at WMF level for the past months... or is it an
>>> deliberate move ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, long rant today... but seeing the meta-name
>>> thiefs associated with our brand was the last drop ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Florence
>>>
>>> PS: I have examples...
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Message transféré --------
>>> Sujet :
>>> Meta, WikiMedia, and the Hewlett Foundation partner
>>> with Africa No Filter
>>> Date :
>>> Wed, 08 Dec 2021 23:00:15 +1100
>>> De :
>>> Africa No Filter <info@africanofilter.org>
>>> <mailto:info@africanofilter.org>
>>> Répondre à :
>>> info@africanofilter.org
>>> Pour :
>>> Florence Devouard <Fdevouard@anthere.org>
>>> <mailto:Fdevouard@anthere.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Meta, WikiMedia, and the Hewlett Foundation are the
>>> latest partners to join Africa No Filter in shifting
>>> narratives about Africa. ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌
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>>> ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Hewlett Foundation, Meta, and the Wikimedia
>>> Foundation are the latest partners to join Africa No
>>> Filter in shifting narratives about Africa*
>>>
>>> *8 December, Accra*: Narrative change organisation,
>>> Africa No Filter, today announced new partnerships
>>> with Hewlett Foundation, Meta (formerly Facebook),
>>> and the Wikimedia Foundation for its campaign to
>>> shift the stereotypical narratives about and within
>>> Africa.
>>>
>>> The new funding pool of USD1.2 million will be
>>> invested in research, building community, and
>>> storytelling initiatives that present new
>>> perspectives on the continent, including projects
>>> that reimagine African creativity through immersive
>>> reality and expand how Africa is represented on
>>> Wikimedia projects
>>> <https://africanofilter.cmail20.com/t/t-l-chkudkl-wthuildtj-r/>.
>>> This is part of Africa No Filter’s goal to grow the
>>> community of partners and funders who want to see
>>> current narratives shift towards a more contemporary
>>> and nuanced view of the continent.
>>>
>>> The Hewlett Foundation is the ninth funder to support
>>> the Africa No Filter donor collaborative, joining
>>> Ford Foundation, Bloomberg, Andrew W. Mellon
>>> Foundation, Luminate, Open Society Foundations, Comic
>>> Relief, the Hilton Foundation, and the British
>>> Council in partnering with Africa No Filter to shift
>>> and disrupt stereotypical narratives about Africa.
>>>
>>> Hewlett’s funds will primarily support ANF’s ongoing
>>> grantmaking in the arts, culture, and media space. A
>>> portion of the funds will go towards a storytelling
>>> campaign aimed at shifting narratives around sexual
>>> health and reproduction rights in Hewlett’s key
>>> countries.
>>>
>>> In line with Meta’s focus on the immersive
>>> technologies, which they are calling the metaverse,
>>> the partnership will push the boundaries of
>>> storytelling by supporting content producers to
>>> create virtual and augmented reality films that tell
>>> African stories. It will also ensure that African
>>> creators are represented as the next generation of
>>> the internet emerges.
>>>
>>> Greater representation of African people, experiences
>>> and contexts are at the core of the collaboration
>>> between Africa No Filter and the Wikimedia
>>> Foundation, the nonprofit that operates Wikipedia.
>>> More content about Africa will be added to Wikimedia
>>> projects, including Wikipedia, to close knowledge
>>> equity gaps on one of the world’s most visited sites.
>>>
>>> According to the “Extent of Geolocated Entities in
>>> Articles” tab of the Geography Gap Project
>>> <https://africanofilter.cmail20.com/t/t-l-chkudkl-wthuildtj-y/>,
>>> only 5.5% of all geotagged articles in all Wikipedia
>>> language editions are related to Africa. On English
>>> Wikipedia specifically, 4% of geotagged articles
>>> relate to Africa. Africa No Filter seeks to increase
>>> the number of African contributors to Wikimedia
>>> projects and to grow the corpus of African knowledge
>>> in multiple African languages.
>>>
>>> Through the partnership with Wikimedia Foundation and
>>> the African Union, Africa No Filter has launched the
>>> Africa Knowledge Initiative. This collaboration will
>>> bring together creatives, activists and
>>> mission-aligned organizations, along with the African
>>> Wikimedia communities to produce verifiable, locally
>>> relevant, and easily accessible content to increase
>>> the representation of African knowledge on the
>>> internet. The Africa Knowledge Initiative will grow
>>> the corpus of African knowledge and the number of
>>> African knowledge producers. It will also translate
>>> the knowledge into multiple African languages.
>>>
>>> The Meta and Wikimedia Foundation projects will offer
>>> funding, mentorship, and capacity building. They will
>>> be launched through grant callouts on Africa No
>>> Filter’s usual platforms.
>>>
>>> Moky Makura, Executive Director at Africa No Filter,
>>> says: "We are incredibly honoured that Africa No
>>> Filter has been identified as a trusted partner and
>>> custodian of these projects. Each partnership
>>> supports the creation of content that is more
>>> representative of what is happening across the
>>> continent, which fuels our mission. New partnerships
>>> and funding allow us to increase our reach and impact
>>> and ultimately bring awareness of the importance of
>>> which story Africans are telling. It means we can do
>>> more – it’s an exciting time for Africa No Filter. "
>>>
>>> Media enquiries: Lerato@africanofilter.org
>>> <mailto:Lerato@africanofilter.org> 
>>>
>>>  *About Africa No Filter  *
>>>
>>> Africa No Filter is a donor collaborative shifting
>>> stereotypical and harmful narratives within and about
>>> Africa through research, grant-making, community
>>> building and advocacy by supporting storytellers,
>>> investing in media platforms, and driving disruption
>>> campaigns. It is funded by Ford Foundation,
>>> Bloomberg, Andrew W. Mellon Foundation, Luminate,
>>> Open Society Foundations, Comic Relief, the Hilton
>>> Foundation, the British Council and Hewlett Foundation. 
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> Wikimedia free knowledge projects. Our vision is a
>>> world in which every single human can freely share in
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