Tobias, you be the judge whether I misunderstood my fellow Wikipedians' comments. Here
are some verbatim quotes, from different contributors:
"How exactly would you propose to get an appropriately licensed video of a rape?
[...] I suppose, in the unlikely even that we were to get a video that were appropriately
licensed, did not raise privacy concerns, and was germane to the subject, we'd use it.
Why shouldn't we? The specific role of NOTCENSORED is to say "We do not exclude
things because people are squeamish about them", and replacing the word
"censor" with "editorial judgment" is a simple case of euphemism, and
does not change what it means. As to the beheading videos, yes, yes, and most certainly
yes. We show graphic images of suffering in articles about The Holocaust, even though that
may not be the most comfortable thing for some people. Why wouldn't we do so in an
article about another horrific act, if the material is under a license we can use it
with?"
I would have no issues with videos of animals (including humans) defecating on appropriate
articles. I'm sure you were looking for an "OMG THAT'S SO GROSS!"
response, but you won't find it from me.
[me:] The question is not whether you would be grossed out watching it. The question is,
what encyclopedic value would it add? I don't think there is a single human being on
the planet who needs to watch a video of a person defecating to understand how defecation
works. If that is your real rationale, then why aren't you going to support removal of
images from human nose? But your chat about rape and beheading (both subjects for which
I'd strongly advocate a video for, if there could be a free, privacy-keeping one)
makes me lose WP:AGF a bittle on this grasping at straws of yours. Let me remember that
we, as a culture, had to grow up a lot to accept not being censored. Censoring is the
exact opposite of "growing up as a culture".
It sounded to me like they meant it. Doesn't it to you? They were all established
users; one of them an admin. I had a long, and perfectly amicable e-mail discussion about
it with him afterwards. Their position is entirely logical, but it lacks common sense and,
indeed, a little empathy.
Andreas
--- On Fri, 30/9/11, Tobias Oelgarte <tobias.oelgarte(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
From: Tobias Oelgarte <tobias.oelgarte(a)googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image
filters
To: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Friday, 30 September, 2011, 17:06
Am 30.09.2011 17:49, schrieb Andreas Kolbe:
--- On Fri, 30/9/11, Ryan
Kaldari<rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
From: Ryan Kaldari<rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and
image filters
To: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Friday, 30 September, 2011, 0:28
On 9/28/11 11:30 PM, David Gerard wrote:
This post appears mostly to be the tone
argument:
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Tone_argument
- rather than address those opposed to the WMF (the body perceived to
be abusing its power), Sue frames their arguments as badly-formed and
that they should therefore be ignored.
Well, when every thoughtful comment you
have on a topic is met with
nothing more than chants of "WP:NOTCENSORED!", the tone argument seems
quite valid.
Ryan Kaldari
Quite.
I have had editors tell me that if there were a freely licensed video of a rape (perhaps
a historical one, say), then we would be duty-bound to include it in the article on
[[rape]], because Wikipedia is not censored.
That if we have a freely licensed video showing a person defecating, it should be
included in the article on [[defecation]], because Wikipedia is not censored.
That if any of the Iraqi beheading videos are CC-licensed, NOTCENSORED requires us to
embed them in the biographies of those who were recently beheaded.
That if we have five images of naked women in a bondage article, and none of men having
the same bondage technique applied to them, still all the images of naked women have to be
kept, because Wikipedia is not censored.
And so on.
Andreas
I guess you misunderstood those people. Most likely they meant, that
there should be no rule against such content, if it is an appropriate
Illustration for the subject. Would you say the same, if this[1] or some
other documentary film would be put under the CC license? Wouldn't it be
illustrative as well as educational?
[1]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtvuLAZxgOM
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