We don't need to ban statements when we can just
deprecate them with a
reason. I think the whole point is to allow differing views equal weight,
based on sourced statements. By allowing statements to reside side-by-side
like this, it will be easy to see which Wikipedia projects (or sub-areas of
interest on Wikipedia projects) have the most disputed statements on
Wikidata. Right now that would be English Wikipedia overall of course, just
by sheer numbers of pages. However, we are already at a point where you can
look at specific sub-areas (players of certain national sports for example)
and look at the controversial statements per Wikipedia. It could be quite
interesting.
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I believe that at some point Wikidata
will be ready to ban
unsourced statements (including sources to other Wikimedia projects unless
appropriate), which will automatically solve the BLP issue.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:
Yes, this is one of the reasons why data from
Wikidata must only be
included in a Wikipedia at the discretion of users of that specific
Wikipedia, like images from Commons.
Cheers,
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On
Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
Sent: Sunday, 17 September 2017 10:14 AM
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy
Hoi,
There is a lot to do about the current absence of a BLP policy at
Wikidata.
Many people, particularly those involved in
Wikipedia, insist on one and
a
policy that is a mirror image of their policy.
I am opposed to such an approach because it will be detrimental to the
best practices in Wikidata and it will stifle the inclusion of data.
Nevertheless there is a need for better quality particularly where it
concerns BLP.
Only being against is a bad position so I have laid out the arguments for
a more inclusive BLP and quality approach [1]. It does bring many of the
relevant questions together.
What this approach accomplishes is:
* better quality in both Wikipedia and Wikidata
* an opt in change in the Wikipedia environment that links blue and red
links to Wikidata items
* it allows for the Wikidata best practices
* it invites any Wikimedia collaborator to make a positive difference for
our overall BLP.
What it does not provide is an instant BLP solution for Wikidata, this is
not realistic given the huge number of items involved, people often
specific to one or no Wikipedia. It will not convince everyone and that
too
is to be expected. After all the proof of the
pudding is in the eating
and
not so much in the endless bickering.
Thanks,
GerardM
[1]
https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2017/09/wikimedia-
and-its-blp-approach.html
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