"I have never seen the WMF foundation asking the
communities
for anything besides money and trust. I believe
the
communities have much more to offer. "
You probably have limited memory. I remember
explicitely calling loudly
for help for many topics and various skills.
Hell, I remember distinctly I called *you* Birgitte
to help for setting
up decent rules for new languages creation. Hardly a
month ago. On this
list. After I asked you help, you basically
answered "errr, not now.
Sorry ".
Yes you did. I was more thinking of asking across
projects not just asking people who already are in
contact with the mailing list. A site-wide note
similar to fundraising, but a call for volunteers.
With a page asking for people with specific skills
sets or experience. To bring in people who have not
already sought out the Foundation themselves
I also remember distinctly I called for help many
times for Quarto. We
got a certain amount of help, but not sufficient to
handle things. So,
Quarto was closed. It was closed because, *YOU* the
community, failed to
answer calls for help.
In the past month, I have taking care of answering
all the questions on
OTRS which were business related. Most of them, I
can not answer alone.
I need help. I need help to answer stuff about
mobile phone. I need help
to answer proposal related to trademarks use ...
We received a proposition from a big firm that I
will not cite here.
This was a little bit discussed amongst the
community volunteers
lawyers. For the past three weeks, I have been
asking for a contract for
that deal. I got none. None, none, none. It is not
exactly as if I asked
not for help. I did, but got nothing. (And this is
why we need
hiring.... believe me, if someone were writing these
contracts on a
volunteer basis, we would not need to hire people).
So, claiming that the Foundation never asked more to
the community than
money and trust is worse that *false*. That's an
*insult*.
There is something hugely upsetting in the comments
I read in this
thread. It is seeing people complain things are not
publicly
discussed... but who do not even comments when the
issues are raised
publicly. It is seeing people complain things are
not done... but they
do not do things themselves. It is seeing people
complain we do not
welcome their help... but they say no when we ask
them.
I am not gonna blame you because you refuse to help
me on something.
That's fine. You're a volunteer. But do not try to
pretend we do not ask
for help please. That's dishonnest.
Ant
I am very sorry my email upset you. I do not mean to
imply in any way that I felt my help was unwelcome, or
that my help was not asked for. I was really not
talking about me or any one who's name you might
recognize from this list. I meant a direct appeal to
all the people out there who do not know what the
Foundation is doing much less what it needs doing. I
meant recruiting from the untapped reasource of people
who use thes projects. Recruiting. Not asking people
who have already show interest.
I am do not mean this to be taken so critically.
Trully it is impressive what so few people have
accomplished here. And also did not mean that I
thought no one should be hired. Just that hiring
professionals is not a panacea. It will take a very
special sort of professional to work in this
enviroment. I really want to see a middle ground. I
am not against things being closed either. It is just
a matter of degrees.
Birgitte SB
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