Hoi,
I am not complaining. I point out that all this huha does not get us
anywhere. I am not afraid to give an opinion and I am not afraid to be a
contrarian when I think it makes sense. Yes, things happened that were not
beautiful. They are not what upset me. What upsets me is that people like
Siko and Anna are leaving. Because they are part of "my" Wikimedia
Foundation. What upsets me is that I routinely use Magnus's tool and
process hundreds of thousands of records and am to understand that official
query is stunted and does not allow for this "because it was not in the
design" and it is then pointed out that it takes money to solve this...
My point is that baying for blood is not what helps us forward. What I do
know is that when sheer negativity is not coupled with an ability to stop
and move forward, we will get in a downward spiral. I fault Pine for not
being able to stop. What I wish for is for people like Anna and Siko and
money for our environment and not for an endowment.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 12 February 2016 at 09:35, Michel Vuijlsteke <wikipedia(a)zog.org> wrote:
Gerard,
I was waiting for this mail. For me personally, your complaining is
achieving exactly the opposite of what you think.
It sounds as if you'd much rather prefer to stick your head in the sand and
hope things will blow over. "Move along, nothing to see here -- oh look!
something positive over there!" is not going to solve anything.
Michel
On 12 February 2016 at 09:24, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
Pine as you are talking about "self inflicting wounds" I take it you are
not talking in your personal capacity. When is it enough for you? When
are
you going to talk about positive things, things
that will move us
forward.
Why ask for blood and more blood? What is it that
you hope to achieve?
Who do you represent in this unending litany of negativity and what have
you achieved in this way? When Lila was engaged in her role, she was to
direct in a different direction and she is doing that. You may not like
it
and that is ok.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 12 February 2016 at 08:43, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Dariusz, thanks for continuing to engage here. Besides the good
questions
> that others have asked, I'll add a few:
>
> 1. If the Knowledge Engine is such an important project, why is it not
> mentioned in
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2015-16
?
2. I realize that as a percentage of the WMF budget, $250k is a
relatively
> small number. As others have said, this is not a reason for opacity
about
it, nor a
reason for not having a conversation with the community about
something so strategically important as a decision to explore the
question
> of "Would users go to Wikipedia if it were an open channel beyond an
> encyclopedia?" It's one thing to have a blue-sky exercise thinking
about
> possibilities, and another thing to take a
$250k step in that
direction,
> especially without consulting the
community.
>
> 3. I am getting tired about seeing bad news in general about WMF
> governance, planning, and turnover. I am curious how you plan to
address
those
issues. Like you, I would rather that we be talking about our
movement plans for the next 10 years. However, it's difficult to have
those
conversations when WMF is making so many
self-inflicted wounds. The
recent
round of resignations is of respectable people
from the WMF staff is
making
> the situation that much more concerning and that much more difficult to
> recover from. It seems to me that WMF leadership has lost control of
this
> situation, and I'd like to hear what the
recovery plan is. Personally,
I
feel that
we need leadership that can build good relationships with the
staff and community, is transparent by default, and is capable of
restoring
> the credibility of the organization's planning, execution, and
goodwill.
I
think that we may need new leadership to make
that happen. I am
interested
to hear your thoughts.
Pine
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj(a)alk.edu.pl
> wrote:
>
> > 11.02.2016 10:23 PM "SarahSV" <sarahsv.wiki(a)gmail.com>
napisał(a):
> > >
> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Hi
> > > Dariusz,
> > >
> > > T
> > > he grant application doesn't restrict the search engine to
Wikimedia
> > projects. It says that the
"Knowledge Engine by Wikipedia [is a]
system
for
> discovering reliable and trustworthy public information on the
Internet.
My understanding is that the top range could potentially be all
open/public
> resources, but this is the far stretched total goal, and still not a
> general search engine of all content including commercial one.
>
> And a rrasonable realistic outcome can be just improving our searches
> across projects.
>
> I can't comment on the initial ideas or goals, as I was not on the
Board
> before August 2015, but this is what I
understand we build now.
>
> .
> >
> > The document says the "Search Engine by Wikipedia" budget for
2015–2016
($2.4
million) was approved by the board. Can you point us to which
board
> meeting approved it and what was discussed there?
> >
>
> I dont recall this specifically, and I'm going to elude this question
by
> > going to sleep (and hoping someone better informed may pick).
> >
> > Good night!
> >
> > Dj
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