Given that Hillbillyholiday is moderated biting replies aren't much fair.

Vito

Il giorno lun 30 ago 2021 alle ore 03:05 Mike Godwin <mnemonic@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Someone with the entirely authoritative email address "hillbillyholiday@gmail.com" writes (apparently under the impression that I don't know who Andreas is) the following:

'I am appalled by your sneering condescension of Andreas.'

This is an unusual misreading of a fairly straightforward, even though ironic, text. A careful reader will have noted that did not dispute Andreas's research or recitation of any facts. What I did dispute is his characterization of motives, which is ungrounded in any of those facts. 

In a subsequent message, Hillbillyholiday says somethingsomethingsomething about me being a nazi, haha.

In the land where I grew up, soi-disant "hillbillies"--whether on holiday or not--knew their Bible verses. So perhaps Hillbilly will understand why the verse that comes to mind in reference to his attempt at a riposte is Job 38:4.

Mike





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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 22:21:50 +0200
From: Kiril Simeonovski <kiril.simeonovski@gmail.com>
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Dear all,

I would like to announce the Wikimedia CEE Online Meeting 2021
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Online_Meeting_2021>, which
is scheduled to take place from 5-7 November and will be a virtual event
for a second consecutive year.

This year's conference will be labelled with the slogan "Meet for a Better
Future!" and its programme will be mostly filled with session proposals
received through a call for submissions, while there will also be a handful
of sessions that will feature keynote speakers or will be formatted as
plenary discussions on important topics from the Wikimedia movement. *You
can submit your session proposal
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Online_Meeting_2021/Submissions>
until
the extended deadline of 30 September 2021.*

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<https://diff.wikimedia.org/2021/07/20/announcing-the-wikimedia-cee-online-meeting-2021/>
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Best regards,

Kiril Simeonovski
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2021 23:55:40 -0000
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion
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Mike,

I am appalled by your sneering condescension of Andreas.

This is a researcher and journalist who has worked diligently for a decade to identify, examine and expose the systematic failings which beset Wikipedia. He generously offers practical soultions to problems the WMF is unaware of.  It is unquestionable that he has knows more about and has done more to improve the encyclopedia than you.

As a spokesperson for a charity that exists to promote knowledge, your sarcastic and dismissive attitude is utterly shameful.

If you think only a few "insignificant" sites like Croatian or Japanese Wikipedia have areas run by ultranationalists, think again -- English Wikipedia has articles completely controlled by terrorist groups right now. I would tell you which ones but it seems you are are uninterested and unconcerned by extremist groups successfully pushing their agenda on this ostensibly educational website.

Administrators and arbitrators are aware of the problem and have been for years. So far they have been unwilling or unable to act decisively.

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:46:52 +0200
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Hoi,
Get your facts straight. Mike is not an employee nor a spokesperson for the
Wikimedia Foundation.  Andreas has a set of hobby horses. That is fine but
it does not follow that we have to be grateful for them. Yes, there are
plenty of issues with all of our projects and at that, English sets a
pattern that is hardly beneficial for the smallest projects.
Thanks,
      Gerard


On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 at 07:43, <hillbillyholiday@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I am appalled by your sneering condescension of Andreas.
>
> This is a researcher and journalist who has worked diligently for a decade
> to identify, examine and expose the systematic failings which beset
> Wikipedia. He generously offers practical soultions to problems the WMF is
> unaware of.  It is unquestionable that he has knows more about and has done
> more to improve the encyclopedia than you.
>
> As a spokesperson for a charity that exists to promote knowledge, your
> sarcastic and dismissive attitude is utterly shameful.
>
> If you think only a few "insignificant" sites like Croatian or Japanese
> Wikipedia have areas run by ultranationalists, think again -- English
> Wikipedia has articles completely controlled by terrorist groups right now.
> I would tell you which ones but it seems you are are uninterested and
> unconcerned by extremist groups successfully pushing their agenda on this
> ostensibly educational website.
>
> Administrators and arbitrators are aware of the problem and have been for
> years. So far they have been unwilling or unable to act decisively.
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 14:03:48 +0530
From: Ashwin Baindur - User AshLin <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia CEE Online Meeting 2021
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Hi Kiril,

What would be the language of communication?

Regards, Ashwin Baindur (User:AshLin on en:WP)

On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 at 01:52, Kiril Simeonovski <kiril.simeonovski@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I would like to announce the Wikimedia CEE Online Meeting 2021
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Online_Meeting_2021>,
> which is scheduled to take place from 5-7 November and will be a virtual
> event for a second consecutive year.
>
> This year's conference will be labelled with the slogan "Meet for a Better
> Future!" and its programme will be mostly filled with session proposals
> received through a call for submissions, while there will also be a handful
> of sessions that will feature keynote speakers or will be formatted as
> plenary discussions on important topics from the Wikimedia movement. *You
> can submit your session proposal
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Online_Meeting_2021/Submissions> until
> the extended deadline of 30 September 2021.*
>
> Considering that the event will take place in an online environment and
> there are no significant barriers for participation, we would like to
> encourage participation and session proposals by people from outside the
> region of Central and Eastern Europe.
>
> In case you have any questions regarding the conference, please do not
> hesitate to contact the Organising Committee members
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Online_Meeting_2021/Development#Organising_Committee>.
> You can also read the official blog post
> <https://diff.wikimedia.org/2021/07/20/announcing-the-wikimedia-cee-online-meeting-2021/>
> announcing the event in order to get more information about it.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kiril Simeonovski
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