On 30 September 2011 10:36, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 September 2011 10:12, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
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Up to now, all females from US (four of them) are in favor of filter (though, Sarah just tactically) and the only one not from US (Brazil/Portugal) is against.
Milos, I believe this is exactly the kind of post that Sue was talking
about
in her blog. It is aggressive, it is alienating, and it is intimidating
to
others who may have useful and progressive ideas but are repeatedly
seeing
the opinions of others dismissed because they're women/not women or from
the
US/not from the US. The implication of your post is "if you're a woman
from
the US, your opinion is invalid". Your post here did not further the discussion in any way, and I politely ask you to refrain from making such posts in the future.
Risker _______________________________________________
I think you're reading too much into this - he was replying to two other posts on the subject purely by adding information. The question of "what do women think about the image filter? What about women in different regions?" is of some relevance - it's useful to try to understand both the ways in which men and women see this issue differently, and the impact of cultural origins on views. Not sure why he said "tactically" re Sarah, but he probably has a reason, and I think Millosh is entitled to the benefit of doubt.
I have to respectfully disagree with you on this point, Nathan. The blog post was about two basic issues:
*How Wiki[mp]edians are interacting with each other , and
*The role of editorial judgment in selecting which content is most educational, informative, appropriate and (in the case of images) aesthetic in the content that the various projects present to the world at large in our shared, collaborative quest to provide useful and educational information and media to the entire world.
There has been a fair amount of nastiness aimed at specific individuals and belittling of the opinions of others throughout this discussion. Just as importantly, there has been a fair amount of unjustified categorization of, and assumptions about, people's opinions (both pro and con) on the issue of an image filter. We all are aware that this sort of behaviour detracts from effective resolution of disputes. Xenophobia, sexism, and elitism do not help us to meet our collective goals, nor does an insistence on the discussion encompassing only very narrow parameters.
As to editorial judgment, we all know that just about every edit made to any of our projects requires some degree of judgment. Even editors who focus exclusively on vandal control have to exercise such judgment to ensure that they do not reinsert inappropriate information when reverting an apparent vandal. Projects have countless policies and guidelines that direct editors in their selection of material to be included, and under what circumstances. Article improvement processes on each Wikipedia are geared toward assisting editors to select the best and most subject-appropriate content, to present it in a well-written and visually attractive way, and to ensure that key information on the topic is included, while trivia is limited or eliminated.
"Wikipedia is not censored" is not a reason to include or exclude information within a specific article: it is the philosophy that makes it clear that Wikipedia provides educational and informative articles on subjects whether or not that subject may be censored by external forces. That is why we have articles about the Tiananmen Square protests, and the Dalai Lama, and Aung San Suu Kyi and frottage and vulva and Mohammed. Our job is to present the information, regardless of whether these articles could be censored somewhere in the world. How we present that information, however, is a matter of editorial judgment.
Risker