As hubs are not replacing the relationship between affiliates and affcom, hubs purpose is to serve its community across multiple countries. I can see the value in Affcom sharing some of its experiences but I caution against the building of deeper power structures that widen the gap between individual contributors, the BOT, and the WMF. That gap will get even wider once the global council is put in place, there are already significant communication problems, made worse by the lack of project experience within the WMF staff, its contractors, and the BOT

For many years these hubs have successfully existed outside Affcom control, I think there should be greater respect shown to hubs for that work treating hubs as pilots is itself disrespectful. Outside of Europe where EU law allows cross border responsibility, hubs governance structures face considerable legal hurdles from insurance to individuals being required to make themselves subject to the laws of another jurisdiction to hold a position of responsibility.

This discussion should be naturally a discussion done by the community and not by the Affcom itself, naturally, like it's happening for the whole strategy.

I wholeheartedly support this point, these discussions need to run independent Affcom.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 16:34, Philip Kopetzky <philip.kopetzky@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Wojciech,

thanks for this statement, it will definitely be helpful to have AffCom's insights into the current affiliates network when talking about hubs. While approval by the WMF BoT is one option, wouldn't that require a hub to be a formal organisation? Otherwise the BoT would be involved in micro-managing project grants that are funding some of the hub pilots.

It would also be helpful to design the process in a way that has the Global Council in mind where in its absence the WMF BoT acts in its absence, to make clear that this is only a temporary solution because of how slow progress on the movement charter has been in the last two years.

Best,
Philip

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 at 20:54, Wojciech Pędzich <wpedzich@gmail.com> wrote:
During the strategic meeting of the Affiliations Committee (AffCom) in
Paris on June 24-26, members discussed how AffCom may be able to support
the movement in relation to the upcoming Hubs pilot process. We reviewed
two issues – whether it was within AffCom’s remit to contribute to the
Hub pilot process and if so, what our involvement might look like.

AffCom has, since its inception in 2004, worked directly with all
Affiliates across the movement, i.e.: User Groups, Chapters, and
Thematic Organizations. Our role, as it has evolved, is to support these
different entities as they come into being and then as they grow, ensure
that they integrate best practices and with a view to long-term
sustainability. This has provided AffCom with both a broad overview, as
well as a deep understanding, of the various challenges faced by
affiliates across a range of circumstances that include socio-cultural
issues and affiliate-based conflicts. Hubs are intended to function as
formal movement bodies constituted by existing groups and/or affiliates,
able to use Wikimedia trademarks to present their association. They
will need to be independent, legally constituted Affiliates, recognised
by the Board of Trustees. This introduces a significant and exciting new
Affiliate model to our movement and AffCom would welcome the opportunity
to bring our institutional knowledge and experience to assist in their
development.

Recognising the principles of subsidiarity, the committee would like to
offer its support as an advisory body for the Hubs piloting process,
working with the community to develop a process that will lead,
ultimately, to their approval by the WMF Board of Trustees.

Wojciech Pędzich
on behalf of AffCom
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