That's OK. I have much bigger platforms. My apologies for the
ultra-offensive reference to...flatulence.
Best,
Dan
On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 4:03 PM Jackie <jackie.koerner(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I hear that you are upset by the suggestion and likely implementation of a
Universal Code of Conduct. I also hear that you feel like this is a
WMF-driven project. I cannot change your opinion about the UCoC, but I can
say your feelings about this being a WMF-driven project are untrue. It
doesn't matter how strongly you feel this, it's actually many groups of
people working together. It was determined as a major need during
discussions I had as part of the Community Health Working Group and I am
glad to see this moving forward.
I am glad you feel comfortable expressing yourself and your feelings about
the UCoC. I also would like to say the way in which people express
themselves and mask insults as "lively discussion" is a huge reason why we
need a UCoC. To that point, I agree with Isaac and would suggest you share
in a (collegiate) conversation on the Meta talk page. I just cannot take
you seriously with the language you used in your email. I, however, would
love to take your comments seriously and have you engage in a good-faith
discussion about the UCoC.
Our roles in the discussion should consider not only our needs as
individuals but the needs of the broader communities. To dismiss the UCoC
is failing to recognize privilege and power structures and their effect on
people in and outside of the Wikimedia community.
Best,
Jackie
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 1:42 PM Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello Dan,
You are allowed to offer an opinion but I Honestly think that's better
and
more useful on the Draft talk page.
That being said, by "effective vote or representation in the
proceedings",
you probably expected a different model where
different language
Wikip(m)edia community would be represented or vote on weather to have a
UCoC.
The current model isn't bad. I do think we should review the draft and
if
there are specific wording we disagree with, we
can either suggest
improvement or removal altogether. I honestly think we need to help and
support the drafting committee at this stage.
Regards
Isaac
On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, 19:25 Dan Szymborski, <dszymborski(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm also perfectly free to express to the IRS
that I'd really like to
get a
> $10 million check from them at tax time. The ability to offer an
opinion
on
proceedings with no effective vote or
representation in the proceedings
is
about as good as a fart in the wind. I'd
prefer the WMF keep its
flatulence
> to itself.
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 2:17 PM Isaac Olatunde <
reachout2isaac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On the contrary, I do not think this is an imposition by the Board or
WMF
> as we are allowed to comment on the draft,
and suggest improvement.
>
> I have been following the process closely and I do not see anything
that
> looks like an "imposition"
>
> The Universal Code of Conduct is not a substitute to the existing
policy
or
guidelines but a behavioural guidelines expected
of users in any
Wikimedia
> project.
>
> Regards
>
> Isaac
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, 16:11 Dan Szymborski, <dszymborski(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > As this is being explicitly imposed by the board from above without
> > > community approval, participating in any way is ethically unsound.
> Doubly
> > > so without a board election preceding this as the WMF has
arbitrarily
> >
denied communities the right, as manifested in the election of the
> > community seats, to voice their opinions of actions that WMF has
taken
> over
> > the last 18 months. A collaborative process is a collaborative
process
> > when
> > > it's actually a collaborative process, not just when it's called
one.
> > >
> > > The best use of time at this point is to organize the communities
to
> use
> > > every means at its disposal to resist such an imposition.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 4:18 PM Patrick Earley <
pearley(a)wikimedia.org
>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello, everyone.
> > > >
> > > > We are excited to share a draft of the Universal Code of Conduct
> > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>,
which
> the
> > > > Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees called for earlier this
year
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_…
> > > > > >,
> > > > > for your review and feedback. The discussion will be open until
> > October
> > > > 6,
> > > > > 2020.
> > > > >
> > > > > The UCoC Drafting Committee
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
> > > > >wants
> > > > to learn which parts of the draft would present challenges for
you
or
> > > your
> > > > work. What is missing from this draft? What do you like, and what
> could
> > > be
> > > > improved?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks to the Committee, and everyone who has helped with
> > > translations
> > > > so far.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please join the conversation
> > > > <
> >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review
> > > and share this email with others who may be interested to join,
too.
>
>
> > To learn more about the UCoC project, see the Universal Code of
Conduct
> > > page
> > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>, and
the
> FAQ
> > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ>,
on
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_…
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ
> >
> > --
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> > Policy Manager, Trust and Safety
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