Hey all,
Coffee is always controversial when it comes to fundraising. I can assure
you that my team constantly works to try to ensure that these lines are
appropriate. Our biggest challenge has always been that this line has long
been extremely effective.
Looking back through our banners, it seems that we have not used the coffee
line in Brazilian Portuguese since 2015. We first tested replacements to
this line back in 2015 and since then we've gone with alternatives such as
"en lache" a snack or "um pastel" a cake. For the most part we've
tried to
use these alternatives in English in these countries as well, though they
don't always quite carry across the languages barrier.
But it seems like we made a genuine mistake during last years 2017-2018
fundraising. Coffee wasn't used in pt-br anywhere or in the en-brazil
desktop banner. But it seems like we accidentally left the line in on our
English mobile banners. Our sincere apologies to the community for this, it
remaining in our mobile banners was not intentional
We constantly test and try to find alternatives. Recently we successfully
managed to replace the coffee line in Italy to "una corsa sulla metro" (a
metro ticket). In that instance the change wasn't simply a single word but
several sentences, but that has taken years of effort to find.
As Paulo has mentioned we have for the time being removed it from Portugal
for this year and we anticipate there will be a drop of around 10%
associated with that, but like always we will strive to find something that
beats its.
We will soon be launching campaigns across South America in 7 countries
(Argentina, Uruguay, México, Chile, Colombia, Perú) and three languages
(English, Spanish and Portuguese). We’ve have notified the communities
there (
) and seeking feedback on our appeals that we will be running in those
countries.
We are going to be experimenting with a different structure to this years
South American campaign as well. Running banners low level over a longer
period. It’s hoped this will reduce the interruption to readers experiences
and reduce the disruption to both affiliates and the online communities.
Regards
Seddon
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:09 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I've been checking the last donation campaigns,
and since 2013 or so the
amount asked in the banner seems to be the equivalent of $3 (I seem to
recall that in initial campaigns it was higher).
At the current exchange rates, $3 is about 4 regular coffee cups in
Portugal, and 3 coffee cups in Brazil.
This year we (WMPT) suggested Thea to drop the coffee bit for Portugal, and
she did. I am curious to see if it had any effect.
Paulo
Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> escreveu no dia sexta,
5/10/2018 à(s) 21:03:
That would be appalling
Cheers,
Peter
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Apparently it says $10 in Brazil?
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:29 AM Paulo Santos Perneta
<paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
...
Looking by the sample I know in Brazil (last year fundraising campaign,
in
> August I believe) the Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia readers often got
> enraged to the point of vandalizing articles stating their disgust for
a
campaign
asking money to an impoverished country (even more saying 10$
was
the cost of a coffee there). Others
"donated" money or attempted to
donate
it thinking it was a kind of a fee for being
allowed to read Wikipédia
(kind of a subscription).
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:28 AM Peter Southwood
<peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:
I thought this specific message was targeting North Americans for whom
$3 is a
realistic price. If the message is for worldwide use I would also
find it offensive in its US centric price claims. I am in Africa, where a
cup of coffee would normally be less than $3 US, but is enormously
variable
depending on where you are, what coffee you
drink, and who you buy it
from.
I don't drink coffee myself, so not
particularly expert on the topic.
Cheers,
Peter
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A/B tested
Someone recently complained that referring to the equivalent of USD $3
as the cost of a cup of coffee was incorrect and substantially
offensive in Brazil. And then a few weeks later there was a discussion
about how donations are so much smaller in the developing world.
Coincidence? I don't think so.
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:11 AM Peter Southwood
<peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> It is a bit of a wall of text, but at first reading the message is
less
offensive than many previous versions.
Cheers,
Peter
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