Hello
Same experience in France: workshops/editathons are VE oriented, because VE is easier to grasp. We also introduce wikitext, but without details. We have experienced withshops with only wikitext or both technologies, but they were less successful than VE-only workshops (people are afraid of code/syntax and the more you say it is easy, the more they doubt of it :)).
Benoît Evellin Wikimédia France volunteer Rennes' local group www.wikimedia.fr/rennes
2015-07-30 16:36 GMT+02:00 Arnau Duran arnauduran@gmail.com:
We (in Amical) always try to teach editing using the visual editor, it's much easier for newbies, especially for older (+40) people or non-techies. Obviously we also mention "that other tab which leads to some weird code" but we almost never dig into it, it's not necessary for them to know wikicode in order to successfully contribute to wikipedia. Everything is easier with VE.
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2015-07-30 15:51 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, was happy to learn that we made progress. Now I learn that there is
always
another rationalisation why "it is not good enough for me and for
newbies".
I am past the phase of "it is not good enough for me" and I stopped
editing
Wikipedia. Just a thought to reconsider assumptions. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 July 2015 at 15:09, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk
wrote:
[copy of my reply on the original list]
I've considered it; and decided not to.
For one thing, when a new user sees a diff, either via a link on a talk page, an article's history, a user's contributions, or their own watchlist they are exposed to Wikicode, and so need a basic understanding of how it works.
On 30 July 2015 at 13:00, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com Date: 30 July 2015 at 12:57 Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach
editathons
To:
If anyone is still running outreach editathons to try and recruit new editors, you might want to consider using visual editor. I spoke to some of the WMF people at Wikimania and apparently the issue of it running very very slowly on old kit has recently been largely addressed. I've pointed out in the past that as long as that bug was
a
"won't fix" you couldn't promote Visual Editor at outreach editathons because even if all the laptops look pretty new, there could well be someone present using a borrowed laptop and intending to use an old
PC
at home. Since we really can't start an editathon asking the
attendees
if they all use new computers at home, and then reverting to the classic editor if someone says their machine was bought in 2010 I and several others have been ignoring the Visual Editor for the last couple of years.
I have just run a quick test on this myself using a friend's old PC and V/E does now work, though it is still a little slower than the classic editor.
Regards
Jonathan / WereSpielChequers
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