Hoi, OK, there are *many* pictures of a marc'h on Commons... Now pretend that you cannot find what this is in English. Try to find it on Commons. Alternatively, you might want to look for a picture of a ლომი. There are only 4,742,435 files at Commons, so just looking at the next random file will help you at some stage. Thanks, Gerard
2009/7/15 Geoffrey Plourde geo.plrd@yahoo.com
This is pictures right? I fail to see how pictures aren't useable to everyone, as they are universal.
From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:23:36 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] A heads up
Hoi, The current practice is to upload large collections with a category that is specific to the material it came from. New categories are matched to existing categories and they are merged. So uploading them as they are IS nothing new. The problem is that when material is included that is not English, it means that it originates from outside of the Anglo Saxon world and thereby helps address the existing bias towards the anglo saxon world.
While material in Dutch does not help the English, the Spanish, the Japanese, it only means that people that only speak Spanish or Japanse will find that to them Commons does not provide any service, add any value. Thanks, GerardM
2009/7/15 Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, How does it help to find material in Commons when you do not know
English
??
Practically it is nice that we spend money on improving the upload
facility
of MediaWiki. In the end it makes no difference when you cannot find
the
images. Functionally Commons is useless as a consequence to all the
people
who do not speak English.
When you reply PLEASE remember what the Wikimedia Foundation is there
for..
Thanks, GerardM
2009/7/15 Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Why should the term base be translated ? Is it not more important to
be
gained by getting all this material in the public domain ??
I do however agree with you. All the material that is about
Indonesia
should
be translated to Indonesian. For them it is very much the opening up
of
material that is part of their cultural history. Translating it into
English
does not make it easier for Indonesians to find this material. Thanks, GerardM
2009/7/15 John at Darkstar vacuum@jeb.no
At least the term base should be translated. John
Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > I have been in discussion with the Tropenmuseum in Amsterdam
about
making
> their material available on Commons. The Tropenmuseum has an
important
> collection on the colonial past of the Netherlands and contains a
rich
> collection on Suriname and Indonesia. The initial talks are about
100.000
> images. > > The annotations of this material is all in Dutch. It will come
with
unique > identifiers back to the physical object in the Tropenmuseum and
it
will
come > with the termbase for the images; this termbase is as I
understand
it
the
> equivalent of our categories. Some of the material has a partial translation > in English and, this can be provided to us as well. > > The key issue I want to raise is that there are hundreds of
museums
in
the > Netherlands, Belgium and Suriname all using Dutch there are more
museums
in > Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Lichtenstein who speak German ....
While
we > aim to improve our front end to allow for easy uploads, we do not
provide
> language support. Language support will help people find pictures
in
their > language and will help the matching of categories into other
languages.
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There is certainly a value to having things in English. It aids
translation
into more languages. It's a lot harder to find people who speak Dutch and Spanish, French and Russian or Greek and Japanese. You're more likely to find
people
who speak English in addition to their native tongue, which allows
them
to
translate it.
-Chad
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And when something is uploaded in Dutch, how do you expect this to help Spanish speakers? Or Japanese speakers? When you translate to English, you facilitate translation into other languages too. I'm not saying translate to English and let it be, I'm saying translate it to English to aid in retranslation.
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