Yeah, although I think every user will, eventually, actually open our pages several times, although less frequently because of smarter search engines.

Vito

Il giorno sab 8 gen 2022 alle ore 13:20 Gnangarra <gnangarra@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Falling readers means less awareness of being able to edit, that means less contributors, and less donations.  Over the last 10 years we've put a lot of effort and support into the basic contribution processes, but the contributions need to shift to more of what our new audiences are expecting from websites.  With such a change there is both a need to embrace it and to facilitate learning the skills, investing in that learning curve.

We cant stay where we are, and we cant move forward without bringing the community along

On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 19:59, Vi to <vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a couple of minutes ago I wanted to point out while chatting that two (shitty) singers work together because they work for the same major. A bunch of years ago I had to open some Google result to find such info, now I don't.

Loss of readers is not bad in itself, it can be if there's a significant number of potential new editors among the readers we lose in this way (also, readers could affect fundraising, but I think we already make enough of it). Anecdotically I think new editors rather come from those who look for info which cannot be found in knowledge graph, but surely this requires a proper investigation.

Vito

Il giorno sab 8 gen 2022 alle ore 12:39 Francesc Fort <taronjasatsuma2@gmail.com> ha scritto:
The slow but steady decrease in readerships is known and has been identified for a long. An important niche of readership are quick answers for trivia (such as "what's the capital of X country") and there are tools (some of those, powered by Wikidata) working better than a classical google search and clicking on the Wikipedia article.

I mean, we talked a lot about this during Strategy. We just must find a solution.

F.

Missatge de RonnieV <wikipedia@ronaldvelgersdijk.nl> del dia ds., 8 de gen. 2022 a les 10:03:

Could there something be wrong with the presentation?

The total number of edits at the English Wikipedia should have dropped 21,23% https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
The numbers at https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org/contributing/edits/normal|table|2-year|~total|monthly do show 63.8M edits in 2021 and only 61.5M in 2020.

Do I misinterpret the graph?

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Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga schreef op 2022-01-07 18:51:

There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge peak on views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.

2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders Wennersten <mail@anderswennersten.se>):

When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all
show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago,
and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).

Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not
creating "views"

Anders

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org

https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
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