James Hare wrote:
Welcome to the mailing list, Mr. Meyers
If you were to go through with this wiki, you aren't allowed to call it Perl-Wikipedia, seeing as "Wikipedia" is a registered trademark.
--James
But be advised that if you import any of the XML dumps from download.wikimedia.org, then you will discover "Wikipedia" littered throughout, including ads for Wikimania, funding solicitation, etc. , so to remove any confusion, convert the word "Wikipedia" into an adjective by terming it a "Wikipedia Mirror" if you are mirroring their content - it its a new wiki not mirroring their content, "Wikipedia" is an restricted trademark.
Jeff
On 7/5/06, Eric R. Meyers ermeyers@adelphia.net wrote:
Hello to The Wikimedia Foundation,
I'm a Systems Engineer in Pennsylvania, USA. "Shalom" to Shlomi, in Israel, at http://iglu.org.il, and a "Good Day" to Jacinta, in Australia, at http://perl.net.au.
I don't know if Shlomi or Jacinta have read my very enthusiastic response to Shlomi's post on the perl.advocacy usenet, but I've begun to research my idea on Wikipedia, towards the creation of Perl-Wikipedia, "The Free Encyclopedia of Perl."
I've just joined the foundation-I@wikimedia.org mailing list, and I'd like to start a discussion with The Wikimedia Foundation on their mailing list, and I'm also asking my two fellow Perl advocates to participate in this discussion with me.
Shlomi and Jacinta both have valuable Wiki development expertise and their own excellent perspectives on this matter of creating "The Perl Wiki," or Perl-Wikipedia as I see it.
Shlomi Fish wrote in the perl.advocacy usenet:
While I may be invoking Joel's Quarreling Kids Rule here[1], I think a central wiki for Perl may be a good idea, not only as a way to
consolidate
all these specialised wiki's, but also to be "The Perl Wiki" which everyone will refer to. We can have http://wiki.perl.org/ for easy
linking
and good Google Juice.
I responded to Shlomi:
I believe that this http://wiki.perl.org, "The Perl Wiki," is anabsolute requirement, not an option, and I'm fully available to contribute to its making. Let's add a Wiki link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl, right under the Website link to http://www.perl.org, and let's do it.
I've learned a lot from Wikipedia, and I've also learned a lotabout Wikipedia, and I just see this "The Perl Wiki" as a normal extension of Wikipedia, creating the Perl-Wikipedia, "The Free Encyclopedia of Perl."
I've learned what happens on Wikipedia, where "Over 94% of allvandalism is removed within ten minutes" [1]. That's a very good statistic, and I've actually seen it happen.
There are so many good things to come from this great idea. I'm in.I'm an advocate of three global topics:
1. The Religion called Christianity (PERSONAL TRUTH) 2. The Free Encyclopedia called Wikipedia (PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE) 3. The Programming Language called Perl (PERSONAL POWER)I personally believe in and use, all three of them, all of the time.
As a result of my personal decision to commit to this next good public thing, I've begun to learn what I need to learn, in order to make this great idea of Shlomi's happen, for the sake of our global community.
Today I reviewed what I could find in Wikipedia, The Wikimedia Foundation, and the new project policy at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_project_policy.
I want to help create a new global topic, or a new Wikipedia subtopic, called The Free Encyclopedia of Perl, "'The Perl Wiki' that everyone will refer to," and I need everyone's help to decide how to engineer it "The Right Way."
What is "The Right Way" to create, establish or begin the foundation of "The Free Encyclopedia of Perl?"
Should we simply expand upon Wikipedia's Perl entry already established at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl, opening the door to exponential growth and the possibly rapid consumption of The Wikimedia Foundation's valuable resources, or should we add an external Wiki link in Wikipedia pointing out to http://wiki.perl.org as "The Perl Wiki," which may or may not eventually become Perl-Wikipedia in the future.
Whatever solution is found, I want "The Free Encyclopedia of Perl" to be highly integrated with "The Free Encyclopedia," called Wikipedia, to get the maximum synergy of out two very good things put together for the public good.
I've come to ask the people of The Wikimedia Foundation for their expert opinions and guidance. From what I've read today, advancing a new Wikimedia Foundation project called Perl-Wikipedia to fruition could take years, so I know that besides having this initial discussion, the external hosting of http://wiki.perl.org, "The Perl Wiki," is probably the first stage of the development towards my thoughts of Perl-Wikipedia, "The Free Encyclopedia of Perl."
I look forward to all of your valuable contributions to this discussion.
Eric R. Meyers
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