Also reminding that most of us who are members of national chapters are
volunteers at the projects, and many of us were in the projects for long
before joining a chapter or UG.
If the WMF spoils the chapters, we will find our way and do the same thing
we are doing for ages, advancing good quality knowledge free and open for
everyone, with or without WMF support. It is obviously better if we are all
in the same boat, but it's important to leave it clear that it is not a
fatality.
Regards,
Paulo
Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> escreveu no dia segunda,
15/04/2019 à(s) 08:29:
The members of the chapters are volunteers, so free to
simply walk away
any time they choose. Shove too hard and you have no chapter. Who wins?
Cheers,
Peter
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Fæ
I don't think that the chapters are in a position to dictate to the
Foundation in the way you suggest. To take the UK chapter, with you are
probably most familiar, last year some 42% of its income came as a block
grant from the WMF, the figures for the preceding years being 54% and 47%.
When half of your income comes from the Foundation, then when push comes to
shove, you do what they tell you to.
JPS
On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 1:54 PM Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Most Chapters and many other Affiliates are
registered legal
organizations. In some cases, like the one you quote, the organization
is a registered charity and has several years of submitting accounts
and reports as that entity.
Names can be changed but this would be a legally meaningful decision
by each board, and each board should be free to make their own
decision on the necessity of the change and agree their budget for
changing, not simply because some unnamed marketing consultant gave
some expensive advice to the WMF about "branding". There is zero
verifiable statistical evidence to back up claimed benefits apart from
vague hand waving to pie charts in presentations about 'markets' for
which nothing is explained about the self-selected sample space, and
for which there are no reported credible tests.
If the true drivers behind this change are because WMF senior
management believe that the WMF is a competitor for Facebook or
YouTube (as was in one of the marketing presentations), then the
problem is their perception of the mission of the WMF, not the name
"Wikimedia".
Fae
On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 09:45, Ed Saperia <edsaperia(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe there’s an easy way to just test this? A chapter could start
calling itself
e.g. Wikipedia UK in its comms for a year and see if
there’s
any noticeable difference?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 14 Apr 2019, at 01:47, phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 2:29 PM Rebecca O'Neill <
rebeccanineil(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree Galder!
>>
>> I would like to respond to Phoebe's comment on not wanting to draw
people
>> to the *Wikimedia* movement is not true
of the Irish experience. We
have
>> some idea of an editing community that
aren't interested in getting
>> involved in our user group (and probably never will be), so we are
very
>> keen to draw people to volunteering as
Wikimedians not just as
editors.
> >> Presenting our group as something more than people who are
experienced
>>
Wikipedia editors is very important to us, and anything that makes
that
> >> message easier would be of huge benefit to us.
> >>
> >
> > Dear Rebecca,
> > Thanks for this. Let me try to explain my thinking a bit more...
> > I too want people to join Wikimedia New England, which is the group
I'm
>
currently running. And in general, I want a thriving and healthy
ecosystem
> of affiliates. But I want that to be true
because the work that
chapters,
> affiliates and the Foundation itself does is
meant to be enabling for
the
> larger goal of making free knowledge
available, and specifically for
> improving and sustaining Wikipedia and her sister projects.
>
> Everything that the groups do - from building the technical/legal
> infrastructure side, to training new editors, to providing a friendly
> geographic or topical face to Wikipedia, to doing outreach, to
supporting
> existing editors - is a means to an end. It
is not the end itself. We
do
> > this multivarious work because we recognize that there are many, many
> > effective ways to contribute in a project as complex as ours, and
that
>
participants can sometimes best find a home in ways that are not
directly
> editing. But equally: there are of course
other means to this end of
> building free knowledge that have nothing to do with the Wikimedia
group/
> structure, most notably the thousands of
independent volunteers who
work
> largely alone to maintain and build the
projects, and upon whose work
we
> all depend. Groups, and the Foundation, are
important! But they are
not, in
> themselves, the end goal.
>
> So where does this leave us with rebranding? I admit I haven't read
all
of
> the comments/analysis. But, to my mind,
there's a cost to rebranding:
the
> several hundred person-hours that have
already been put into this
> discussion, if nothing else. For the benefit to outweigh the cost, we
need
> > to imagine what will happen to increase participation in building
free
> > knowledge as a result. If we are
"Wikipedia New England" or
"Wikipedia
>
Ireland" et al, will our groups be more effective -- for instance,
with an
> > easier to understand name, will new people join our trainings,
perhaps
> > becoming Wikipedia editors? Will more
cultural institutions reach
out,
and
> be more amenable to releasing images? If the
Foundation is the
Wikipedia
> Foundation, then how does this improve the
infrastructure that the
> Foundation provides, exactly?
>
> If the answer is that this change will definitely increase
participation in
> > the projects and free knowledge generally, through the mechanism of
the
>
various groups being more recognizable and thus reaching a bigger
audience,
> > then the proposal is worth seriously considering. But if it is hard
to
> > imagine - and I admit I do find it hard
to imagine that the name of
the
>
Foundation is the thing standing in our way to wider Wikipedia
> participation - then it doesn't seem worth the cost.
>
> -- Phoebe
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