David, the only reason the discussion at T:MP is active is *because* a
discussion was started here. Prior to this thread being started, comments
at both COM:AN and T:MP had gone without reply for quite a while. I don't
think it's terribly productive to complain about forumshopping in a thread
about something that effects substantially more than just one project and
was started before any of the threads on commons actually had active
discussion. Doubly so because, as Risker points out, other projects
transclude Commons' MOTD in to their frontpages, including projects in
languages that do not number among the five that had any degree of context
provided.
Nathan: I don't think there's any question that the video *could* have been
appropriately featured, although it would have been harder to do on Commons
than on a monolingual project. With a different still and the use of
Wikidata to pull appropriate contextual information - which I believe is
possible, though correct me if I'm wrong - Buchenwald is object Q152802 on
Wikidata - the video could have been appropriately featured. Wikidata has
enough interwiki links that it would've been possible to provide
appropriate contextual information to a great majority of viewers of
commons, whereas as it was many of them just saw a grainy black and white
image of a stack of corpses with no context and no ability to actually even
play the video in question (most Wikimedia viewers cannot play the video
formats we support.)
Pete: you're right that discussion of how to improve process is something
that needs to happen, although I think continuing discussion of the MOTD in
question is worthwhile given that it's selection flies in the face of both
commonsense and a WMF board resolution and a significant fraction of
regular Commons contributors don't seem to see an issue with it. I'm happy
to participate in any discussion about process, to assist in any process
that results from such a discussion, and will probably start a discussion
about it myself in the relatively near future if no one beats me to it -
there's something seriously weird about the fact that a project that all
other projects depend on has the media it displays on it's front page
selected by pretty much one person with no oversight.
----
Kevin Gorman
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:14 PM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 9 May 2014 21:13, Risker
<risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The person who selected the image does not care
that most of the
people who viewed that image saw only dead bodies without context.
You could go to Talk:Main Page and say that there. The discussion is
quite active.
Argument from "I don't like it" in a forum-shopped venue, however,
really isn't convincing.
- d.
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