On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 at 01:40, Yaroslav Blanter
<ymbalt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
just to remark that it superficially looks like a great tool for small language
Wikipedias (for which the translation tool is typically not available). One can train the
tool in some less common language using the dictionary and some texts, and then let it
fill the project with a thousands of articles. (As an aside, in fact, one probably can
train it to the soon-to-be-extint languages and save them until the moment there is any
interest for revival, but nobody seems to be interested). However, there is a high
potential for abuse, as I can imagine people not speaking the language running the tool
and creating thousands of substandard articles - we have seen this done manually, and I
would be very cautious allowing this.
Best
Yaroslav
On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 4:57 AM Raymond Leonard
<raymond.f.leonard.jr(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As a friend wrote on a Slack thread about the topic, "ChatGPT can produce results
that appear stunningly intelligent, and there are things that I’ve seen that really leave
me scratching my head- “how on Earth did it DO that?!?” But it’s important to remember
that it isn’t actually intelligent. It’s not “thinking.” It’s more of a glorified
version of autosuggest. When it apologizes, it’s not really apologizing, it’s just
finding text that fits the self description it was fed and that looks related to what you
fed it."
The person initiating the thread had asked ChatGPT "What are the 5 biggest
intentional communities on each continent?" (As an aside, this was as challenging as
the question that led to Wikidata, "What are the ten largest cities in the world that
have women mayors?") One of the answers ChatGPT gave for Europe was "Ikaria
(Greece)". As near as I can determine, there is no intentional community of any size
in Ikaria. However, the Icarians were a 19th-century intentional community in the US
founded by French expatriates. It was named after a utopian novel, Voyage en Icarie, that
was written by Étienne Cabet. He chose the Greek island of Icaria as the setting of his
utopian vision. Interesting that ChatGPT may have conflated these.
It seems that given a prompt, ChatGPT shuffles & regurgitates facts. Just as a card
dealer deals a good hand, sometimes ChatGPT seems to make sense, but I think at present it
really is " a glorified version of autosuggest."
Yours
Peaceray
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 6:39 PM Gnangarra
<gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I think the simplest answer is yes its an artificial writer but its not intelligence as
the name implies but rather just a piece of software that gives answers according to the
methodology of that software. The garbage in garbage out format, it can never be better
than the programmers behind the machine
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 at 09:56, Victoria Coleman <vstavridoucoleman(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thank you Ziko and Steven for the thoughtful responses.
>
> My sense is that for a class for readers having a generative UI that returns an
answer VS an article would be useful. It would probably put Quora out of business. :-)
>
> If the models are not open source, this indeed would require developing our own
models. For that kind of investment, we would probably want to have more application
areas. Translation being one that Ziko already pointed out but also summarization. These
kinds of Information retrieval queries would effectively index into specific parts of an
article vs returning the whole thing.
>
> Wikipedia as we all know is not perfect but it’s about the best you can get with the
thousands of editors and reviewers doing quality control. If a bot was exclusively trained
on Wikipedia, my guess is that the falsehood generation would be as minimal as it can get.
Garbage in garbage out in all these models. Good stuff in good stuff out. I guess the
falsehoods can also come when no material exists in the model. So instead of making stuff
up, they could default to “I don’t know the answer to that”. Or in our case, we could add
the topic to the list of article suggestions to editors…
>
> I know I am almost day dreaming here but I can’t help but think that all the recent
advances in AI could create significantly broader free knowledge pathways for every human
being. And I don’t see us getting after them aggressively enough…
>
> Best regards,
>
> Victoria Coleman
>
>>> On Dec 29, 2022, at 5:17 PM, Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 4:09 PM Victoria Coleman
<vstavridoucoleman(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone. I have seen some of the reactions to the narratives generated by
Chat GPT. There is an obvious question (to me at least) as to whether a Wikipedia chat bot
would be a legitimate UI for some users. To that end, I would have hoped that it would
have been developed by the WMF but the Foundation has historically massively underinvested
in AI. That said, and assuming that GPT Open source licensing is compatible with the
movement norms, should the WMF include that UI in the product?
>>
>> This is a cool idea but what would the goals of developing a Wikipedia-specific
generative AI be? IMO it would be nice to have a natural language search right in
Wikipedia that could return factual answers not just links to our (often too long)
articles.
>>
>> OpenAI models aren’t open source btw. Some of the products are free to use right
now, but their business model is to charge for API use etc. so including it directly in
Wikipedia is pretty much a non-starter.
>>
>>> My other question is around the corpus that Open AI is using to train the
bot. It is creating very fluid narratives that are massively false in many cases. Are they
training on Wikipedia? Something else?
>>
>> They’re almost certainly using Wikipedia. The answer from ChatGPT is:
>>
>> “ChatGPT is a chatbot model developed by OpenAI. It was trained on a dataset of
human-generated text, including data from a variety of sources such as books, articles,
and websites. It is possible that some of the data used to train ChatGPT may have come
from Wikipedia, as Wikipedia is a widely-used source of information and is likely to be
included in many datasets of human-generated text.”
>>
>>> And to my earlier question, if GPT were to be trained on Wikipedia
exclusively would that help abate the false narratives
>>
>> Who knows but we would have to develop our own models to test this idea.
>>
>>> This is a significant matter for the community and seeing us step to it
would be very encouraging.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Victoria Coleman
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