In a way, it is great to hear that Wikipedia zero is attracting new
editors! That is what I hoped for more than increasing readership.
The general question on how to stimulate positive edits while discouraging
negative contributions is the tricky part. What we always tell outsiders on
why we can cope with vandalism or simply bad edits is that we made it
easier to identify and revert it than to make them.
Maybe a superfluous question, but can we still differentiate individual
devices from each other somehow? I can imagine this is a tricky part if
Besides the obvious downside, are the positive sides also visible? Do we
see more edits on Angola relayed topics? Do you see more positive active
users from Angola?
Op zondag 20 maart 2016 heeft Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
het volgende geschreven:
Realistically. Wikipedia is very much an enabler.
Your ease to consider "simply" disabling mobile edits or uploads I find
appalling. People in countries like USA or UK are very fortunate. Nobody
would ever argue to disable their edits or uploads. At the same time as a
movement we desperately need more and more diverse involvement. While you
may say what you want, it is unconscionable for us to do as you suggest as
it is fully contrary to what we aim to achieve.
What we are experiencing is a bump in the road. We have to deal with it but
throwing the baby with the washing water? REALLY !!
On 19 March 2016 at 15:03, David Emrany <david.emrany(a)gmail.com
Can we have a clear picture of Wikimedia's ‘complicated’ relationship
with net neutrality - 1year on from the Washington Post story 
Can we also have specific figures on how much of WMF's traffic has
been lost / gained from key markets in Latin America and Asia after
regulators have blocked zeropaid schemes due to local concerns.
WMF's "complicated" stance has also turned off many like-minded
support groups who stand for pure net neutrality - and not WMF's or
Facebook's ersatz versions 
Lastly, if the primary aim of Wikipedia Zero is to gain readership,
why not simply disable all mobile edits / uploads from these accounts.
> Hi Teles,
> As the head of the Wikipedia Zero
program, I would like to respond and
> provide more context to the important challenges you are bringing up.
> Last year, the Foundation increased
our security and privacy by
> HTTPS to access all Wikimedia projects. That
change has greatly
> the Wikipedia Zero program, and most
importantly has also allowed
> (and not only reading) and extended the
scope of zero-rated access from
> just Wikipedia to all Wikimedia projects. However, our banners do not
> reflect this additional zero-rating, but still only appear on
> In your message you highlight two main concerns. One would be the
> copyrighted materials and overall abuse on Commons. The other concern
> regards how the editing community should deal with an influx of new
edits and potential editors in Portuguese, with particular
> of the extra work this causes for existing community members.
> Regarding Commons, we have
experienced abuse from a few subscribers of
> Zero partner in Angola. Typically what
happens is that the pirates
copyrighted movies to Commons either directly or in a concealed form
huge/split PDFs or JPEGs). Then they promote the
links on Facebook or a
similar public forum for others to download. When partners become aware
this they have flagged it to us and we've, in
turn, flagged it to
> Engagement who has worked with editors to try and make sure it's
We agree that this is not an ideal way to handle this problem, and we
> prefer to catch it much earlier or simply prevent it outright (without
> significant limits being placed on good faith editors). Last fall, we
discussions on finding technical solutions for this problem.
However, we discovered that we could not widely identify traffic from
rated partners, and that ability was a
prerequisite to address this
> As of December 2015, the Ops team was able to complete that work.
> With this task completed, our team,
in coordination with community
> engagement and engineering is working on finding the best approach to
> resolve this issue. Do you have suggestions or guidance? We are eager
multiple approaches and this is a great time to open the
discussion. As we evaluate different approaches, we can also update you
the list here.
On the editing topic, the primary goal of Wikipedia Zero is to increase
readership. This is measured in potential reach (through subscriber
and pageviews within regions with Wikipedia Zero
> enough information to show that Zero can also increase editorship, but
> is something we believe is furthered by
expanding reading access. So if
> that is what is happening in Angola, we see that is a great thing.
> However, we understand that it’s
challenging for our existing editing
> community to handle a sudden influx of new editors. This seems to be a
> crucial and important conversation for the movement at large to have. I
> hope we can figure out a way to turn this moment in Angola into an
> opportunity to learn how to deal with new readers and editors.
> Best regards,
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:50 PM,
> some of the issue stems form the copyright laws of Angola, which are
> interesting to read -- read them in english --
of course I dont
> people to know their copyright laws in detail
or to have read them but
> do know the principles of it and what they can do
> some points of interest
> - Non protected works Article 9 section c -- news of the day
>> by the press or broadcast
>> - Chapter IV Uses lawful without Authorisation article 29 section
>> reproduction by photographic process
or process analogous to
>> process by <snip> documentation centres <snip> or teaching
>> ..... refers to minimum amount of copies necessary, but wither way
>> Wikipedia would fall into either of these definitions as permitted
>> - article 30 - is the key here it enables translation into
>> after 3 years without any real
restrictions - hence why the
>> having so much of an issue and by extension commons where they
>> uploading of media
>> Wikipedia zero implementation needs to also consider the implication
>> local laws especially copyright on the
projects where the laws are
outdated and effectively enable copyright issues then WP Zero could
> a read only option for IP's or a no upload option, with a rights
>> process on commons
>> On 19 March 2016 at 00:45, Lucas Teles <teleswiki(a)gmail.com
>> > Hi, everyone.
>> > It is being
recently reported on Portuguese Wikipedia and Commons
least) the increasing ammount of improper editing coming from IP
> > located in Angola. Some users believe that this may be related with
> > Wikipedia Zero and a partnership between WMF and a cellphone company
> > that allows reading and editing at free
> > One of the first reactions to
that is a large range block that was
>> > on Commons in order to prevent these edits , as they are being
> in a
> > way that volunteers can't handle.
> > That seems to be some kind of
"second wave" as the first that hit
> > Commons
> >  had been already reported months ago  and seemed to be
> > just paused for a while. On Portuguese Wikipedia, one thing that
>> > be clear is that edits are done in good faith. However, they end by
>> > being
>> > undone as they are incorrect for some reason, whether being pages of
>> > about themselves or just test edits. One of the users identified
>> > actually
>> > confirm  that he is editing through Wikipedia Zero.
>> > Concerning that
more partnerships may occur in future, I think it is
>> > time
>> > for us to start talking about ways of dealing with that, other than
>> > blocking. Sadly, I don't have an answer to that problem, but I tend
>> > believe that some way of mass
reaching these potential users should
> > out.
> > The current process is that
editors will be the ones to notice that
> > I
> > am not aware of any kind of follow up by WMF on that) and they will
>> > solve their way, which may cause too many collateral damage.
>> > I wonder if there
is any kind of way to diminish the problem, by
> > off-wiki strategy.
> > Kind regards.
> > Teles
> >  -
>> > *Lucas
>> > *+55 (71) 98290
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>> > *at Portuguese Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons.*- wikipedista.com
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